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How MI5 used astrologer to help beat Hitler



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Published Date: 04 March 2008
HE CLAIMED to be descended from Hungarian nobility, was fond of vivid silk dressing gowns and spoke to the spirits while flourishing a large cigar.
But during the Second World War, the outlandish figure of Louis de Wohl was taken seriously by the British secret service, who believed he could cast light on what German astrologers were saying to Hitler.

Now new evidence unearthed by MI5 histor
ian Professor Christopher Andrew shows the British also used de Wohl as a weapon in the propaganda war to persuade the US to enter the war.

Prof Andrew said de Wohl, who claimed to have inside knowledge of Hitler's astrological advisers, was consulted in 1940 about the most likely date for an invasion of Britain.

"They took his advice on which days an astrologer would consider propitious for a Taurus with Libra rising, which Hitler was.

"Then in 1941, when what everyone wanted most was to get the Americans to enter the war, Louis de Wohl went to the US. He went round radio stations and newspapers casting Hitler's horoscope and predicting things were all going to go very badly."

Prof Andrew said British authorities used de Wohl as a propagandist, but also "in a serious way – to understand the mind of an extraordinarily talented but baffling man".

But he said while Rudolf Hess and Heinrich Himmler may have been influenced by astrology, there was now "overwhelming evidence" that the Führer himself was not.

The newly unearthed papers show that de Wohl, whose real name was Ludvig von Wohl, was distrusted by the security service officers who were charged with keeping an eye on him.

One of his handlers wrote: "I have never liked Louis de Wohl. He strikes me as a charlatan and an imposter."

Another called him a "complete scoundrel" and another a "dangerous charlatan and confidence-trick merchant".

"He claims in his books to have travelled widely in the East in Arab disguise and to have often frequented cafés in Berlin in feminine attire," wrote yet another. Several wrote that they thought he was a former Nazi.

Paul Winter, a Cambridge researcher who has studied the papers in detail for his forthcoming book Fathoming the Führer, said: "There is no doubt de Wohl was a charlatan – but his influence went all the way to the top.

"What's ironic about this is that British Intelligence were going down this cul de sac at the same time as people at Bletchley Park were doing amazing and useful scientific work."



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  • Last Updated: 04 March 2008 9:26 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: World War II
 
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04/03/2008 07:45:38
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04/03/2008 10:21:22
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Furchrissake,

04/03/2008 10:47:04
Astrologer - charlatan? MI5 - Intelligent? Come now, what is one to believe?
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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 04/03/2008 10:47:54
Thank gawd for the entertaining great British eccentrics in the world...I am of course speaking about the members of MI5..."A complete scoundrel"..love it..love it..love it..!
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Amparo de Glasgow,

04/03/2008 11:20:48
Ach ... come on sheeple
... religion has always been used to hoodwink
... and fool the people.

Astrology is a pseudo-science
... for intellectual lightweights
... with no real understanding
... of mathematics or science.

Anyone who actually believes in Astrology
... is a complete air-head;

... or makes loads of money
... out of convincing others that it is
... actually a valid reality !!!

This is another Hootsmon non-story.

Come on lads and lassies ...

... get yer Press Corps asses out of that bar
... on Leith Road
... and go do some real "investigative journalism"
... ehhhh??
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Tim C,

Somewhere in England 04/03/2008 11:26:34
In 1976 William Stevenson's book "A Man Called Intrepid" (Ballantine Books) covered the wartime activities of Sir William Stephenson. The book is not considered to be 100% historically accurate, but it describes Louis de Wohl's work in the USA on behalf of British Security Co-ordination; in 1941, when the USA was neutral. Either Christopher Andrew is 32 years late, or the press are short of stories.

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04/03/2008 11:28:54
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04/03/2008 11:32:07
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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 04/03/2008 11:42:40
7...Not sure why your comment was deleted mate as they leave much worse on this forum...but you might want to tone it down with the 'wrath of God' threats...makes you look like you are delusional...
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Fairfax,

04/03/2008 13:56:51
Tim C (6): "Either Christopher Andrew is 32 years late, or the press are short of stories."

Louis de Wohl's unusual story is certainly not entirely new. The reason for Andrew's interest is that the relevant files have now been formally released to the National Archives.
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Charles Crosby,

UK 04/03/2008 15:12:05
We now know the Scotsman is a Bilderberg Illuminati Occultist rag and a cesspit of the Devil.

Your days like the rest of Devilish scum you represent are numbered.

For when The Lord Jesus Christ returns you will be his first port of call.

You carry on deleting for it changes nothing and what I have said cannot be undone.
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Furchrissake,

04/03/2008 15:28:03
11# Let us pray.
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Charles Crosby,

UK 04/03/2008 15:31:28
# 12 Judging by your mocking response your prayers will fall on deaf ears, so I wouldn't waste your time.
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Currylord,

Inverness 04/03/2008 15:35:41
What the heck is going on here? You have comments removed for being unsuitable, Charles Crosby at 11 accusing the Scotsman of being, amongst other things, an "occultist rag" and Amparo de Glasgow at 5 who formats his comment like some badly structured poetry. Is this all some kind of a joke? The start of April is weeks away yet!
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Charles Crosby,

UK 04/03/2008 15:49:37
#14 “In A Time of Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act”

George Orwell.

Today's press hate the truth Currylord so when it's printed they delete it.
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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 04/03/2008 19:06:52
Crap.

Doreen in the Cyber Shebeen.
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Tobytoo,

Southington< U.S.A. 04/03/2008 19:18:35
#14 Currylord
I think that #7 deleted is by Charles Crosby judging by #9 Doreen's comment to tone down "wrath of God" he sounds to me as though he is a bit of a religious fanatic, "To each his own" as the saying goes.
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Charles Crosby,

UK 05/03/2008 08:34:26
#17 Both 2 & 7 were my comments and deleted by the Illuminati, occultist, Scotsman Bilderberg mouth piece called a newspaper.


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Pazuzu,

06/03/2008 12:28:20
18 -

Occultist! Illuminati!
They are behind you!

Astra inclinant, non necessitant
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captainbws,

US 02/04/2008 06:34:52
Using his Pi cycle Martin Armstrong (not an astrologer) has called market changes to the day for many years. Astrology is no more than a language, a set of symbols, and a set of planetary cycle correlates to describe archetypal cycles. The planets of themselves do nothing. Astrology is a pseudo science for those who are not academic to it. Read Dane Rhudyar.
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Gunn,

10/07/2008 13:16:35
This is old news, a story carried by English newspapers a few months ago.

 

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