Chess is normally a pretty boring game!!

SouthernGent in 1:

The Russians have more nuclear weapons than we have. Between them & the Chinese it is not inconceivable that they could send 100,000 nuclear missiles to our country in a surprise attack sometime in the next 10 years. I suggest that if one lands within a mile of your abode that you will not find it boring.

Remember, during the 1990's the US showed China how to make nuclear weapons and nuclear missiles both as well as helped them build their many nuclear power plants. China is the manufacturing king in this world. Expect them to have as many nukes as Russia or more soon.

here is related story.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080826/116285991.html

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080827/116318584.html

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=67728§ionid=351020602

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20626.htm

Wally-I do believe that the U.S. could probably destroy the world as we know it, just by commiting nuclear suicide. All we have to do is detonate what we have right here.

#2 Wally

President Clinton sold the farm! He gave the Chinese US secrets and also gave the North Koreans US secret information also to help them along as well. He did a lot of harm while he was President.

Take your hat off Wally, I think its squeezing your head. I give you one line and you don't even get it. This is anything but boring.

You tend to exagerate in many of your posts, including this one. Try cutting down on some of your posts and maybe people will take you a little more serious. If nuclear missles start, I doubt it will take nearly as many as you say for all countries to feel the pain.

Eboneesha in 4:

President Clinton was a traitor as you say. I suggest he did that on behalf of the people who rule us and that President Bush likewise works for the same people. How come we have nobody prominent like John F. Kennedy to stand up to these people? Other than Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich or Mike Graves and very few others and none of those people are prominent (thanks to our propaganda media).

Let me recount the history. The Chinese in early 1990's could not launch a missile into space. They tried and 2 out of 3 launches they failed. It was against US law for a US corp to show them how. Clinton signed an order letting the law be ignored and the Chinese learned from US corp how to launch the missiles into space. The Chinese did not know how to get the multiple warheads per missile system (MIRV) to work and it was agaisnt the law for a US corp to show them, then Clinton signed an order facilitating that this secret be given. The Chinese didn't know how to get the missiles to hit their targets but within hundreds of meters accuracy. It was against the law for a US corp to show them how to be more accurate. Clinton signed an order allowing this secret to be sold to the Chinese and they learned how to get the missiles to hit targets within 5 M accuracy.

This occurred after Clinton famously promised in ’92 campaign that he would ‘get tough’ with the Chinese. Then came the mother of all scandals.

New Mexico’s governor and American traitor Bill Richardson was in charge of Clinton’s Department of Energy. The DOE hired a Chinese national to work in a New Mexico facility where the Chinese national’s task was to archive all US government knowledge concerning nuclear weaponry. All the knowledge was brought together and put into computer files for safe-keeping. A Chinese born Chinese citizen was hired for this task by the Clinton administration. None of this info is disputed.

A Chinese defector came to the FBI with documentation tha

A Chinese defector came to the FBI with documentation that the Chinese had received huge knowledge about nuclear weaponry from the US. US experts looked at his info and concluded that the Chinese had in fact gotten much info from the US. The FBI began to investigate. 2 FBI agents concluded that the Chinese national (Wen Ho Lee) hired by the Clinton admin almost certainly e-mailed the info back to china. His e-mail system was set up so that he was able to do this, and it was set up so that there was no record of what he emailed. They do know he emailed much to china. That is all they know. The email system was set up so that there would be no trail. Higher-ups above those 2 investigators changed the agents’ conclusions and said they had no idea what Wen Ho Lee did. Wen Ho Lee was briefly detained, then allowed to go home to China where he is today.

During the height of this scandal the Chinese government held a press conference. They said that they did not steal nuclear know-how from the US. They said that the US gave them this knowledge.

In December of 1996 Republican Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House said on American tv that he was going to investigate these scandals I’ve spoken of with public hearings and get to the bottom of it. He said it was the biggest scandal in US history. In January of 1997 Newt Gingrich was removed from his speaker position by an overwhelming vote where even the Republicans voted against him. Not only that Newt Gingrich asked his own fellow Republicans to vote him out. Newt Gingrich was brought to heel by the regime where he remains today. That was the end of the investigation.

Our government is ruled by people who are traitors. There is a conspiracy against our own people among our leadership. The Monica scandal was the regime’s way of protecting Bill Clinton as it diverted all attention from the real scandals. The Republicans and the Democrats together cooperated with the game-plan and the crimes as did th

The Republicans and the Democrats together cooperated with the game-plan and the crimes as did the mass media. When comparing Bush to Clinton it is only proper to ask which is worse, not which is better and it is difficult to decide. Both are traitors.

It is the US that is the greatest proliferator of nuclear weaponry in world history. North Korea’s nuclear industry was likewise built by the US with US money and US know-how.

here's American journalist Alex Jones being interviewed about this situation on Russian tv.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziAkHOXxMoM

#6 Wally,
In short Wally, you guys over there hide behind your arrogance thinking that you're better than the rest of the world, where in reality, you've been had time and time again, North Korea highlighting that right now.

Now don't get me wrong Wally, this is nothing personal against you or about half of your fellow countrymen/women, but it does show that the other half, ie; the ones that vote guys like Bush into power, twice, and are seriously considering handing the leadership over to McCain, need to be slapped upside the head to have some sense knocked into them.

We, the rest of the world, play on your need to show off your arrogance, and weasel your little secrets out of you, and hey, it works time and again.

Again Wally, nothing against you personally, you're just the messenger.

Postmark - I am just the messenger, glad you see that. Hope you read the many posts I put up on previous thread for you from day or 2 ago.

One thing I didn't get to in those posts is the question of motivation. Why do the people who rule us do as they do? Many of the things they do are not rational. FinnKing will tell you that their extreme wealth and love of money cause this criminal insanity they engage in. That is true I am certain. But it is more than that even. Among the regime that rules there is a core of people who have a religious motivation for what they do. This religion they have is not christian, but anti-christian. It is a real religion with priests & ceremonies & beliefs.

One thing they do over & over again is help to raise up enemies and then knock those enemies down. This is a means by which they build power for themselves. It sounds insane, but the funny thing is that they've been doing it for more than just decades, likely centuries.

The clique that rules helped the communists come to power in Russia in the early 1900's and they helped the Soviet Union in the first 20 years of its existence greatly. They helped the NAZIs come to power in Germany and helped build up the NAZIs. The historian Anthony Sutton proved this very conclusively and documented it in books available for free on the internet. Sutton died 10 years ago in Arizona where I live. He was born in London, emmigrated to US.

We can think of them as being criminally insane & psychopaths because thats what they are. It is a sad thing for us Americans (& for the whole world).

#11 Wally,
Yes and thank you Wally, and here's my response to that well written and researched piece of yours.

109 Postmark-55,China, 28/08/2008 04:55:28
Thank you Wally,
That's what I mean, you do your homework, where I rely on memeory and past experiences, whether they be good or bad.
Where I do disagree with you though Wally is the biblical part of you, again, nothing against you personally, but I have seen too many churches abuse and manipulate too many people using the Bible, using it as a tool to guilt them out of money.
Religion plays a negative part in our society, closely related, if indeed not the same, as politics.
Both groups are there to control us, and the bottom line for both groups would be money, and the more of it the better.
I go by what feels right in my heart and listen to my conscience, a conscience we all have but many choose to ignore, but I can't and won't ignore it, it guides me through life, and no form of Bible or Koran or whatever other religious book can do that, for they are written with the mindset of controlling people, whereas my conscience gives me self control.

There again Wally nothing personal against you, I respect your opinions and outlook, sometimes we just differ.

And Wally, as a footnote,
Exactly what is Christianity?
Words mean nothing and actions speak louder than words!
Every form of Christianity I have come across knocks the other religions, as well as their competition within Christianity, ie: Protestants vs Catholics, Jehova's Witnessess against everybody, including common sense,
Latter Day Saints(Mormons) vs themselves as shown by their offshoot groups,
Seventh Day Adventists who go against the grain by worshipping on Saturdays, thus the Seventh Day "handle", and condemning everyone else for not worshipping on Saturday,
and the list goes on.
How about all the so called 'holy' wars Wally, what's that all about? I seriously doubt that it is God's idea or indeed will for us to slaughter each other in his name.
Let's take a look at the Muslims, under the guise of Islam, who gladly and blindly kill themselves to kill you, what's that all about?
Is their God, Allah, as viscious as our God?
And why do they worship a different God?

No Wally, it is the conscience within ourselves, and common sense that we need to listen to, that in my opinion is the true God and true Religion, with no financial and guilt strings attached.

#2"The Russians have more nuclear weapons than we have"

Russia has a defence budget smaller than Britain. Kindly get your facts right.

#13 Communism is a religion also. It merely substitutes faith in an omnipotent god with faith in an omnipotent state. Communism is profoundly anti-reason.

Oh, and commies love killing people.

Sorry Wally, one more thing.


Old Testament, an eye for an eye.
New Testament, turn the other cheek.


Kind of contradictory wouldn't you say?

#14 Itchy,
Please look at this statement that I made at post #12.

"Religion plays a negative part in our society, closely related, if indeed not the same, as politics."

That concurs with your comparison of Communism as a religion, and not just as a political system.

Now to the story at hand.
Bottom line is that the US absolutely has no business being there, and the 'aid' is such an obvious excuse.

I can just see how warm of a welcome the Russians would get if they were to sail up the St. Lawrence river in some Destroyers and were to dock in one of the Great Lakes saying, ah, we're just here to try out the 'fishing', seeing if it is as good as you've been bragging about.

That excuse is about as laughable as the 'aid' excuse, and I'm sure that the US would meet them with cheerleaders and a band playing the Russian National Anthem.

100,000 nuclear missiles? Really? Do you even know what a nuclear missile is? Now I understand why you call yourself Wally.

When are the UK media going to plant the responsibility for ther present international tension and ramping up of the confrontation where it really belongs - WAshington and the US Election Campaign to stop Obama and elect the hawk McCain.

I wonder what the Russian "peacekeepers" still do in Georgia. Having mined most of ports, destroyed roads, the city of Gori and adjoining countryside one might think the peacekeeping process is over. On the other hand, some Russian KGB guys can be dissatisfied. By their standards, good peacekeeping requires killing at least tens of thousands of civillians and setting up a handful of "filtration (death) camps" like it was in Chechnya. Therefore, there is some probability that the Russian peacekeepers will continue their glorious operation.

#19 very astute of you, Gus. You know the US wants another war criminal in the whitehouse.

Wally, as far as Uncle Wen is concerned... nothing was proven. You have to love those words "almost certainly". Also I have to of course point out that Uncle Wen was TAIWANESE.

But maybe this will help you in your struggle with reality... http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/09/21/nyt/

#20 Piotr,Warsaw - The Russians in Georgia are no more peacekeepers than the Red Army advancing through Poland in 1944 were liberators.
You are quite correct that the Russian standard of peacekeeping inevitably involves a great deal of blood-letting or as KGB/NKVD/MVD (different initials over the years but the same killers) like to call it "liquidation". Many Russians (including Putin) are still in a state of denial about the Katyn Massacres from 1940 so one cannot expect a grain of truth from them now.

I am from Poland and I remember Russian peacekeepers who spent 50 years in our country ;-( Nothing changed in Russia...They still want to *libereted* others by tanks and bombs;-(

If any of the paranoid anti-Russian ravings above were true it would be a very good argument for not encouraging mighty Georgia to invade Ossetia & start the genocide of Russian citizens.

Even if it isn't & Itchy is among the less paranoid (an unusual experience) in saying that Russia spends less on its military than us picking pointless fights is still not a good idea.

And James the Russian army in Poland were liberators. All of these are a matter of degree & the Russian there were far better than the Germans (& indeed considerably better than us in Kosovo).

Sorry Neil, but you have no basic history knowledge that you think that Russian Army was liberators of Poland, Ukraine, Lithuenia, Estonia and many other countries. Russia the best Friend of Hitler:

http://polishclaims.isuisse.com/docs/pactmol_ribb.htm

#25 Neil,Glasgow 28/08/2008 - "the Russian army in Poland were liberators" - Absolute rubbish. The "liberation" by the Red Army was merely the exchange of one form of oppressive slavery for another. I doubt many Poles saw this exchange as liberation and that is why the Free Poles chose to remain in the West whilst the Polish Home Army continued to resist the NKVD and Polish Communists long after 8th May, 1945. The Red Army invaded Poland in 1939 a few short weeks after the German attack; perhaps you see this stab in the back as "liberation" also? As Artur implies, none of the other countries in Eastern Europe such as Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Ukraine saw the Red Army as liberators and had active guerrilla movements fighting against the Soviets until well into the 1950s.

Poland under Stalin was infinitely freer & better treated than under Hitler. This is not praise of Stalin it is merely recognising the difference between the 2. Hitler's long tern aim for Poland was precisely the same as our immediate one in Krajina.

Arthur I grant the situation in the Baltic states was more equivocal - the mention was merely about Poland.

#28 Neil,Glasgow - That one despot was slightly (as opposed to infinitely) less despotic than another does not mean that Poland was liberated by the Red Army. The Soviet Union attacked Poland in 1939 and annexed part of its territory which it did not return after this so-called liberation in 1944.
Your statement at post #25 was "the Russian army in Poland were liberators" which is utterly false.

#29 James Donald,
Please take a look at this link, and eventhough it isn't exactly what we would call a liberation as such, Neil at post #25 was somewhat right when he talked about the Soviet liberation of Poland.

http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-10593.html

Postmark:

regarding questins about christianity & bible, I don't know all the answers and won't try to answer all. But I think christian bible is very big important book. many different people interpret differently on that. if you take it seriously when reading & studying it, then it is hard to ignore. it is the most popular book worldwide by far.

I agree that in many aspects the situation in Poland was better after 1945 than in the period of 1939-1945. However you should not draw a conclusion that the Soviets were "liberators". After the war they were just using more subtle means than the nazi Germans during the war. As compared to Germans, the Soviets made many concessions to the Poles, which helped to silence the resistance. They used both a carrot and a stick while Germans had been using the latter only.

Nevertheless, the Soviets effectively deprived Poland of its sovereignty, i.e. people's right to be politically represented and freely choose the economic system. The rule of the Soviet puppets and the Soviets themselves brought about much blood as well, especially in the beginning when the resistance was strong. Thousands were killed and tens of thousands (at least 100.000) were put in jail for many years and often tortured. These rough numbers concern the period directly following the so-called liberation in 1945. Actually, the Soviets behaved even worse during the war, in particular in the period of their co-operation with Hitler (before June 1941). In this period their killing/repression efficiency was comparable to the achievements of Germans. The difference was mainly in the repression/killing criteria. The Germans focused more on Jews (but by no means did they forget about Poles!) while the Soviets specialty was to kill/expropriate/expel the elite of Poles.

In summary, both countries (Soviets and Germany) used similar means during the war. But these were the Soviets who finally killed the hope that the great Polish sacrifice and effort would bring something reasonable in the end.

#30 Postmark-55,China - You will not be suprised to learn that I disagree entirely. The Soviet occupation of Poland (and other other Eastern European states) was no more a "liberation" than the Inner German Border was a "Anti-Fascist Protection Barrier". Liberations do not typically involve annexation of part of the liberated country's territory, mass imprisonment of the citizens of the liberated territory and guerrilla war against combatants of the liberated territory. Liberation Soviet Communist-style was another form of enslavement.

Can't disagree Piotr. Thats why I said "these things are a matter of degree". The Russians did liberate Poland from what would ultimately have been the killing of all those Poles who could not be "Germanised".

#31 Wally,
Hey Wally, I can't and won't argue about the Bible's popularity, but rather what it contains within its covers.

Why is it that we have so many versions and translations of the Bible Wally, it's because each one translating it has something to gain by that translation, and that would be money.

You guys in the States had Jimmy Jones, who took his version of the Bible to foreign shores and had his membership murdered, eventhough the press called it mass suicide.
Then there was Jimmy Bakker, shining example of someone to put your trust in, along with his two bit hooker wife Tammy Faye.
Presently you have the ever smooth husband and wife team of Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, who will sell anything in the name of religion and who've been desperate to make inroads into China.
Then you have the ever lovely child , or should I say boy molesting bunch, You know the ones, BINGO, the Roman Catholic Church. The same church that gets their priests to swear to a vow of celibacy, ensuring to draw in only the pedophiles, for any normal red blooded man would not even think of making a vow like that.
The Mormons use the Bible as well as the Testament according to Joseph Smith, a false prophet, aren't they all, because two books are better than one to keep you completely confused.
The Seventh Day Adventists have their false prophet that went by the name of Ellen G. White, or Egg White as she's more commonly known as, so their again, they really don't follow their own book called the Holy Bible.
So again Wally, we need to use common sense, and just because it is written, it isn't necessarily true.

#33 James Donald,
That's why I said it's not exactly what we would call liberation, but they did go in just before the allies did and kicked the Nazis out, and that is some form of liberation, but I wholeheartedly agree, it was only in their self interest.

Postmark:

I agree that just because it is written does not make it true. In Egnlish language I would recommend King James Version or the previous Geneva version of bible rather than the newer ones. The very new versions are fraudulent. and I'd say its not so easy to interpret the bible. I'm still convinced that there are spiritual forces which we should take seriusly.

#37 Wally,
Well Wally,
I have read all kinds of versions of the Bible, and because it is written by man, and initially written a long time ago, and not in English, I indeed question the authenticity of any version. I still firmly believe that it is yet another attempt to control us, and make a buck at it while controlling us.
Sounds a lot like politics eh, that's because in reality it is.
Your coins have boldly printed on them 'in God we trust', but why is it that you have the worlds biggest military budget and the most advanced and high-tech weapons, if indeed it is in God that you trust?
So do you notice Wally that State and Church are not separate, but rather a tag team to bend you over and r@pe you.
You notice that those same Catholics that have been found guilty of child molestation serve no prison time, and that is because the State protects the Churh, and no Church pays taxes, yet rakes in billions. You also notice that your war monger leaders faithfully attend Church and then condone and commend torture, and this would come under the guise as Christianity as well Wally.
The only power we have is to do the best we can, don't hurt others and help whenever possible, if we all follow this principle, war and poverty would be only in history and not an everyday event.

Wally, a corpse on a stick is not basis for judgment.

#36 Postmark-55, Red China - "not exactly what we would call liberation" - or rather not at all like a liberation. There was no liberation involved for the bulk of the population (only a small minority of Communists were elevated in status such as Helena Wolinska-Brus http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/nov/21/secondworldwar.ukcrime) just a change of oppressor.

#40 James Donald,
Jimmy, I agreed with you in my last post and I get the point. So let's just leave it at that OK, after all, have I ever agreed with you before?

#41 Postmark-55,Red China - Looks like we cannot even agree that we agree. So we'll leave it at that as I don't want to upset you by exposing the murderous activities of your Communist heroes.

#25 it was printed in all the papers that Russia's defence budget is less than that of Britain.

You are just parroting the Kremlin party line, like communists always do.

"34 Neil,Glasgow 28/08/2008 15:08:37
Can't disagree Piotr. Thats why I said "these things are a matter of degree". The Russians did liberate Poland from what would ultimately have been the killing of all those Poles who could not be "Germanised"."

What about all those Poles executed by the Communists?

Just more loathsome apologetics on behalf of communism and Stalin.

#10 postmarkpussy

pmpussy said:

"We, the rest of the world, play on your need to show off your arrogance, and weasel your little secrets out of you, and hey, it works time and again."

Now this is rich. It is also a classic of Wally proportions. Please read over pmpussy's sentence above. First, "We, the rest of the world." Here pussyman anoints himself as the worlds spokesman, or spokespussy, as the case may be. Then, in a breathtaking turnabout, accuses Americans of being arrogant. I'm beginning to think that the HanJinPussy is really a plant placed there by the evil genius, Karl Rove. Can anyone really be this stupid?

"I, speaking as the self-appointed representative for the entire world, damn you Americans as being arrogant."

This, of course is my clumsy paraphrasing of his lilting prose, but it serves to make my point.

Then, in a admission so stunningly bizarre there are no words to describe it, he owns up to being a weasel. No, I'm not kidding! Read the KungPaoPussy's own words:

"We.......weasel your little secrets out of you"

This, PekingPussy, comes as little surprise to those of us who have always known you are a weasel, but to see you admit it before the entire world is unexpected to say the least.

#28 Neil

Neil said:

"Poland under Stalin was infinitely freer & better treated than under Hitler."

Here is an example of Stalin's humanitarian treatment of the Poles:

"The Katyn Forest massacre was a mass execution of Polish military officers, policemen and civilian prisoners of war ordered by Soviet authorities on March 5, 1940.[1][2] The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000, with the most commonly cited number of 21,768.[3] The victims were murdered in the Katyn forest in Russia, the Kalinin (Tver) and Kharkiv prisons and elsewhere.[4] About 8,000 were officers taken prisoner during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, the rest being Poles arrested for allegedly being "intelligence agents, gendarmes, spies, saboteurs, landowners, factory owners, lawyers, priests, and officials."

Now what was that about the "infinitely freer" and better treated Poles under Stalin again?

"US military lands aid at Georgian port"

That's the least they can do considering the whole thing was instigated by the Bush regime to foster the chances of McCain in the up-coming poll.

Another example of treating human life as secondary to political expediency.

Russia knows this. When will the rest of the world wake up?

Postmark in 38:

You are correct that with human beings writing the bible, compiling the bible and all the translations, it is difficult to think that ALL of it is exactly the un-erring word of god. There are 66 books in the bible and there was some controversy as to exactly which ones to include.

Regarding this ‘in god we trust’ on the US coins – that was begun about 100 years ago. I think it’s a nice slogan, but experience tells us and the bible tells me that human beings never accomplish anything of much significance unless god leads them to it. Myself and anyone with sense is pretty skeptical about any institution run by men including the US government of course.

Regarding catholic church and pedophile scandals, those are really incredible. I don’t wish to bash catholics. But those scandals were fantastic and I think some very odd things happened. Some people feel that evil forces penetrated that bureaucracy and caused it to happen. I’ve written on here more than once about the pedophile scandals in the US & in Europe where the government did protect pedophile gangs from prosecution. Here’s a link talking about 1 of the 3 major pedophile scandals I am aware of in the US where the US government protected the pedophiles.

http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-Up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809

Something similar happened in Belgium.

I’ve said repeatedly here that America is an unusual nation in that its people like the Christian bible. But the Christians in America are split, some do support the government’s (IMO insane) foreign policy and some don’t. here’s a web-site put up by some Christians who oppose ‘christian zionism’.

http://whtt.org/

I don’t mind saying that it is very discouraging to attend many American churches because many of the leaders and many of the members do support US policies. Those policies include the torture of human beings including the torture of human beings to death. This is not a deniable sort of a thing unless you want to put your head in the sand. I mean when Alberto Gonzales who was US Attorney General signs his name to a memo that interprets US law and he uses the phrase ‘to death’ and the word ‘torture’ in the same sentence in the memo and he says it is legal, that should have some meaning to Americans. It does not. Because it is not broadcast loudly on tv and therefore to most Americans it is a false story to be shouted down. There is massive evidence and paper trail that the leaders of the US purposely pursued a policy of torturing people including to death. And there is also massive evidence that this has been done. A US Army officer in his official capacity doing a report noted that he found about 35 people were tortured to death at Abu Ghraib by US forces during a limited period of time he reviewed. A newspaper in Turkey said that in a Turkish prison they tortured ‘more than 2 dozen’ people to death under a US sponsored program. We’ve had the example of Jose Padilla, a US-born US citizen, tortured until he lost his mind by the US inside the US, and when he went to trial there was no real evidence against him other than he agreed to attend a training camp in Afghanistan that he believed was of a religious nature. He never actually attended the camp, but he agreed to do so. And the evidence the government had (his phone calls to friends)

And the evidence the government had (his phone calls to friends) indicated that he thought it was a religious camp with religious training. And as I”ve reviewed here in the past in Genesis chapter 1 it says that men are created in the image of god. How can a ‘christian’ nation have a government that tortures people to death under any circumstances? Here’s a related article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/05/AR2007100502492.html

Torture does not provide good intelligence. It provides bad intelligence. That is well-established from experience. The purpose of torture is to intimidate whole classes of people based on politics. It has nothing to do with anti-terror efforts or law enforcement.

Postmark in 38:

I agree with your line ‘The only power we have is to do the best we can’. Many of the Americans have turned their own nation into an idol inside their own minds. They believe it has special magical powers. I wish I knew the book & chapter I read in the bible that counsels strongly that the people never accomplished anything of significance unless god led them to it. The Americans would do well to remember that. And I like to counsel my American friends about the verse from Proverbs that says ‘Pride goeth before the fall, and a haughty spirit before destruction’. I was in a rural church just 2 weeks ago where the preacher held up an American flag and spoke about how he was proud to be an American. I spoke to that fellow afterwards as we were socializing and I did not remind him of the verse in Proverbs about pride so that we could get along. We Americans have found the verse at 2’nd Thessalonians 2:11 where it tells us about a delusion that he will send. We know that many of our people have received a great delusion.

We can only put 1 step in front of the other and trust that god will show us a way. Regardless of all this humility I like to have I still believe that my nation is a very special nation with a very special purpose. But it is not the purpose that the people in America necessarily want, it is what the maker wants. When the bible speaks about nations it says that all the nations are made with particular properties & characteristics, that they are raised up for god’s purposes, they are slapped down and sometimes even destroyed for god’s purposes. This is how history unfolds, for god’s purposes, not for our ambitions or vanities.

It is particularly sad for Americans who know something of the nation that we once were. When we came here to this continent the world was in the same poverty-stricken and down-trodden state that it had been in for more than a few centuries. And when we were finished building our nation, the

When we came here to this continent the world was in the same poverty-stricken and down-trodden state that it had been in for more than a few centuries. And when we were finished building our nation, the world was raised up in many ways. All the people of the whole world benefited from our existence. Many Americans seem to want the world to fawn over us as a result. I don’t. But I still remember my people who did these things. And I have a very deep loyalty to them. The nation I knew when I was a boy was a very very good nation. It is impossible to explain or express how good.

I’m sure that evil was always with us as it is everywhere in the world. If you give it an opening it will enter you and ravage you. The nation I knew was not dominated by evil. It was a nation of tremendous good and did great things and did so seemingly without effort. But today it is dominated by evil, it is confused, it is in big trouble. Most Americans are very sad over these things.

There is a correction coming. There is wrath coming. The people will learn that there is a god who made us and the earth and who is to be worshiped and is in charge. The people of all the world will have a choice between what the bible calls life and what the bible calls death. My nation will be used prominently in the historical events leading up to this. And along the way my nation will be destroyed. Then over time it will be restored.

I have spoken to you of this last great empire built on earth prior to Jesus’ return called Babylon. I have told you that this empire is here today. I live in the nation that hosts this empire. Here is a verse I like that soothes myself and some fellow Americans.

“Psalm 137:4 How shall we sing the LORD'S song in a strange land?”

Postmark, you asked me about the difference between the Old Testament & New Testament and how it is such a large difference. Here’s some keys to understanding on that. The Old Testament was the history of the people chosen to live under what the bible calls ‘the law’ and what Christians call the ‘old covenant’. The Old Covenant was an agreement made by god and these chosen people to live under this system. The Law included the 10 commandments and much else. As you can read in Jeremiah 10 & 31 the Old Covenant was broken because the people could not live by the law. These events are described as a divorce. What does it say in Jeremiah 11:9 about a conspiracy against god building up? That is true, there was a rebellion and an alternate religion developed. The Old Covenant became unworkable. When Jesus came the New Covenant replaced it. The New Covenant is not open to merely one tribe or ethnic group. It is open to all. The New Covenant is based on one thing and that is faith in jesus. And forgiveness comes with this faith. Forgiveness for not being able to live up to the law, it became evident that this was required as people could not live up to the law.

It is important to understand that we live in an era of human history that will end. That is what the term ‘end-times’ refers to, the end of this era not the end of everything. When this era ends we’re going to be judged, all of the people including both those living and dead. How will this judgment occur, what will be the standards used? There are many different locations in the bible that say things about these standards. People like to look at Ephesians 2:8 where it says we’re saved by grace & through faith, not of ourselves, but as a gift of god. But in many places we’re told that the judgment standards used are based on whether we did the good works that our hearts or consciences told us to do. As we’re made by the creator, our heart or conscience is given to us by the creator, and we’l

As we’re made by the creator, our heart or conscience is given to us by the creator, and we’ll be told by our consciences what these good works are to do, and for each of us these things will be different, and none of us will have precise insight to actually predict the judgment of others in a consistently reliable manner. I like the story in Matthew 25 about the standards used in judgment. Also, you’ll recall there are many verses that talk about a ‘weeping & gnashing of teeth’ after this judgment occurs. These are the people judged negatively who thought that they’d be judged positively, the word hypocrite is used to describe some of them, these are the people who are religious and follow the man-made rules of their church, but ignore their consciences. I wish I knew the spot where my pastor once showed me where it says that many who are not of the faith will be judged positively. Because they grew up in another faith, but were loyal and pious and did good works they will be judged positively. Did you know that early in Jeremiah 10 the Christmas tree custom is ridiculed as a vain custom of the people?

The bible says many times that in this time leading up to the end of this era there will be a fantastic attack of evil onto us. And it will be a challenge for us as individuals to resist it. You can read in Ephesians 6:11 where we’re told to put on the armor of god to resist this. You will also read that another characteristic of these times is that there is great deception and we are cautioned to beware of this deception and to not be deceived. This is an era when we are all put under a test as individuals. That is why things are arranged as they are. It’s like I told you, its for god’s purpose, not for ours’. And his purpose is to test us.

#46 57Nobrain

"Here is an example of Stalin's humanitarian treatment of the Poles":

You made that up as the dates used make your story impossible.

You have made it known that ALL your posts are probably a load of codswallop.

Postmark in 35:

As you mentioned this Jim Jones fellow who orchestrated the mass suicide around 1979 in Guiyana I will tell you some things about him.

The 1'st person to die in that event was a US Congressman. Many people believe that the priority in that event was to first kill the congressman, and then after that occurred to orchestrate the mass suicide as a cover for the congressman's murder, in order to explain his murder. In the 1970's there were very serious congressional & senate hearings into the activities of the CIA. This congressman murdered at that event was one of the 4 key people who arranged for those hearings. All 4 died in suspicious circumstances. Remember, a week before John Kennedy's death he gave a speech in Massachusetts where he said 'I will smash the CIA'. There was a time when our elected leaders tried to rebel from the regime ruling and they were put down.

It is overwhelmingly probable that Jim Jones was a mind-controlled CIA plant. The CIA & the US government have at different times admitted that they have mind-control programs through documents released confirming it and even statements at press conferences. There have also been many people come out of the government and speak of them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37e883e71a33.htm

Paul Wilcher was a CIA official (subsequently murdered) that sent a memo out to many media organizations telling them of many corrupt government activities and included was his statement that David Koresh of Waco, Texas (1993) fame was a mind-controlled person. The CIA official (whose name I forgot) said Koresh woke up from his mind-control and had to be eliminated as a result. He said this was the reason for killing those people. He said there were several within the Branch Davidians who had all woken up and were remembering what happened to them. They didn't want anyone to talk about it, thats why they wanted to kill all of them.

Don't you know about the Bohemian Grove in

Don't you know about the Bohemian Grove in California and the Skull & Bones group? Its like I've told you, they have an alternate religion, with priests & ceremonies & beliefs. They are orchestrating events. They are following an evil vision. They put people inside of organizations. They are trying to discredit all religion especially christianity and have developed their own religion to one day replace all the religions with their religion. They want to rule world-wide.

Did you know that they have a technology where they can project a voice from a satellite down to a particular area on earth? People will think they are hearing a voice of god. and it will be from the satellite. Technical journals have stated this, its been developed already. I am not sure, but I think maybe a UK company did that.

So, you may know by now that I don't put any positive faith in the regime that controls the United States. as I've told you it is a multi-national regime and they're not loyal to us Americans. But I am American and I will be loyal to my nation.

Jim Jones showed some tell-tale signs of being possibly a victim of mind-control. This included an appetite for sex with a variety of men & women. Thats not really normal for a christian preacher. The children put under mind-control are first abused in different ways including sexually. When they grow up the effects of this show. That's where the pedophile gangs come in that I told you about. Remember the church leader Ted Haggard who had a mega-church in Colorado, he appeared on American tv telling us that Jesus wanted us to engage in pre-emptive war. That fellow was disgraced in a scandal involving homosexuality & drugs. He said he had a lifelong problem with these sex impulses & led a double-life as a result. His problem came as a side-effect of the mind-control efforts or perhaps those problems were used to blackmail him or both. In the mind-control systems people can be developed in terms of charisma & other qualities

In the mind-control systems people can be developed in terms of charisma & other qualities and then turned into robots sent off to do a job in this organization or that organization. Some of them can be given precise instructions at different times to do different things. The process of putting them under mind-control may or may not work, there is sometimes success & sometimes failure. Sometimes the person becomes useless to them, sometimes very useful. But the whole idea is to program a person as best they can and then send them off to do a task. They sometimes spend their lives doing that task.

http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/04-20-05/discussion.cgi.89.html

here's a much better link on that Paul Wilcher info.

58 Wally

"In the mind-control systems"

wally wears a hat made of bacofoil to protect himself from those who might want to control him

Let's have the truth,
Thank you for the compliment and the link to the other forums, much appresiated, and keep up the fight, you do us proud.

Hi Wally,
Thank you for putting in so much effort into any of your comments, I'm not quite so diligent, but I do have an excuse as to why that is. For one, I'm too lazy, and for another, you will provide me with informations and links on something, and then somebody else comes back with their links and information on the same subject, and they vastly differ. Case in point, Wen Ho Lee. Mashimaro provided us with a link which is very convincing as to the innocence if Wen Ho Lee, whereas your information left us all believing the man is guilty as charged, so I'm left to sort that out, and therein lies the danger(s). My interpretation and translation of said information may vastly differ than yours and others, and thus the confusion and conflict.
This is one of the reasons I usually stay away from links, history books and other sources of information, for they are all guilty of slant and bias.
This is also why I question the Holy Bible, for it too has been translated and interpretated and has been subject to the abuse of the authors and what they had in mind.
This is why is rely on common sense, sort things out that I face on a daily basis, and as a rule take things with a grain of salt, if indeed not a pound of salt.
The Holy Bible is full of contradictions, and in fact stories that even a three year old has difficulty swallowing. ie: The tower of Babel, where God suddenly created many languages so as to confuse the people building the tower, and effectively ending construction of said tower. Now Wally, do you really think that God would be so insecure as to worry about mankind actually building a tower that would reach up to heaven? Which way is heaven for starters Wally, and how high up would someone have to go? Can you see the insanity and incredibility in that story Wally?
Same can be said for the great flood and Noah's ark, I seriously doubt that the world indeed contains so much water that we can submerge the whole planet deeper than the height of Mt. Arar

Mt. Araret or indeed put two of every animal on the ark, ensuring the survival of all species.
I realize that the Bible also has parables, which are there to highlight a point or situation, but the flood and tower of Babel are said to be true, well I for one will never buy it.
You mentioned David Koresh, offshoot from the Seventh Day Adventist church, and we all know what he was about, eventhough I think that the FBI and ATF need to be prosecuted for how they coldly and callously slaughtered his followers, many innocent children who had no choice or say in the matter.
In Canada, in the province of British Columbia, there's an offshoot group from the Latter Day Saints, which started their own community called Bountiful, and they have many wives, mostly under aged teenage girls, and the law turns a blind eye, for that little community happens to pump a lot of money into the local coffers, granting them immunity.
So Wally, nothing against you and your beliefs, I just look at things somewhat differently, but respect you for your views and opinions just the same.

63 Postmark-55

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#64 D-945,
Well thank you, and yes, I spot the sarcasm.

#55 Let's have the truth,Queensland -
"You made that up as the dates used make your story impossible.
You have made it known that ALL your posts are probably a load of codswallop" - Yo may not like the poster of #46 but the Katyn Massacre is a matter of historical record which even the Russians now admit responsibility for (even if it took them until 1989 - up to then they alone in the world blamed the Germans).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_Massacre
I you don't trust Wikipedia as a source, the References at the end of the article will give you links to other primary and secondary sources. The Soviet Union had these large numbers of Polish (and other) prisoners in 1940 as they were captured during their attack on Poland in 1939 in conjunction with Nazi Germany.

#65 Skidmark

I'm surprised you are not a daily contributor to that site.

#45 57Nomad,


TWO words for you,


ANGER MANAGEMENT.