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Published Date: 28 August 2008
A CARTOON in USA Today says it all about Barack Obama's tortured ordeal in the Democratic Convention: titled Passing the Torch, it shows a sweating Mr Obama taking the torch from the hands of Hillary and Bill Clinton, but shows them both refusing to let go.
For it is clear after the Hillary Clinton speech that the party remains divided, the Clintons and many of their supporters bitter that Mr Obama has rained on their parade.

Mrs Clinton's speech was notably short on praise for Mr Obama and her mention of Mr McCain being a "friend" will be seen as the green light by her disaffected supporters to vote Republican or stay at home in November. She pointedly failed to back Mr Obama as a commander-in-chief, his single greatest disadvantage against the grizzled war veteran John McCain.

And, in case anyone missed the point, husband Bill rammed it home with his decision to skip Mr Obama's acceptance speech tonight in Denver's Mile High Stadium.

Mr Clinton will not be the only absentee: Also missing will be the former party chairman Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager.

The signal could hardly be clearer: the big guns of the party who had banked on a Clinton victory feel snubbed by the Obama campaign. They would rather see him lose in November to enable them to claw their way back to the driving seat and back Hillary Clinton for a presidential run in four years time.

This division is not to do with the issues: Mrs Clinton and Mr Obama have near identical policy platforms.

Rather, Mr Obama's nomination victory represents a changing of the guard: For more than a decade, the command lines of the party ran through the Clintons. Mr Obama has upset all this. If he wins in November, the big jobs will be doled out by his Chicago-based team.

"It's a good thing for the party, you need this clear-out every ten or 15 years," said one party official at the convention. "But there are going to be casualties."

And these fights will have effects beyond Denver. For the voters, Mr Obama is failing his first key test: if he cannot show the leadership needed to wrestle control of his party, how can he be trusted to run the country?

Mr Obama is not yet at the convention, and this absence has left a sense of drift among the speakers rather than a single easy-to-understand theme.

Many supporters think he should come down from his principled stand and engage in negative politics of the kind McCain's team are skilfully throwing at him.

The Bush administration is one of the worst in recent history, but by common consent the Democrats have yet to zero in on this.

Former president keeps a low profile by wife's side

BILL Clinton was supposed to beam at the side of his wife at the Democratic convention as she was crowned their party's presidential nominee. Instead, he held back tears as his wife formally surrendered the nomination to Barack Obama and threw her full support behind her former opponent.

At one point, he leaned back in his seat to bask in applause when she said Democrats know how to lead on the economy and other challenges.

The 42nd president's campaign performance this year was erratic: he helped drive voters his wife's way, but his occasional outbursts at critics and reporters tarnished his image as a statesman.

He has complicated the task of reconciliation with comments early on that were critical of Mr Obama.

On Tuesday, his first full day in Denver, Mr Clinton did what comes hardest – he kept a low profile and avoided wading into political waters that are still stormy amid tensions between the camps.

"Must be killing him," said the Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen.

Speaking before a gathering on international affairs, Mr Clinton gave a subdued address on democracy and global warming, referring to the convention and the campaign only in broad strokes. After about ten minutes of remarks, he left the stage to work on his wife's Tuesday night convention address and his own speech.

Mr Clinton offered no advice to Mr Obama. Instead, he said simply: "This was an endlessly fascinating process already, and it's still got some twists and turns between now and November."

SCOTT LINDLAW

No way, no how, no McCain – Hillary's battle cry

HILLARY Clinton made an emphatic plea at the Democrat conference for her supporters to back her one-time rival Barack Obama because victory over Republican John McCain "is a fight for the future and a fight we must win together".

The former first lady drew thunderous applause as she coined what could become the most powerful political slogan of the autumn campaign: "No way, no how, no McCain."

Mrs Clinton's speech, in the early hours of yesterday, will probably be the most closely scrutinised of the convention, a gathering that opened with drama – full of speculation about how effusive her support for Mr Obama would be and whether the party could heal the divisions from the primary campaign.

In the end, she held back nothing in an address that also served to launch whatever lies ahead in her political career.

"We don't have a moment to lose or a vote to spare," said the New York senator, writing the latest chapter in a political quest every bit as pioneering as Mr Obama's own.

She urged her supporters to remember who was most important in this campaign.

"I want you to ask yourselves, Were you in this campaign just for me?" she said. She urged them instead to remember US marines who have served their country, single mothers, families barely getting by on the minimum wage and other struggling Americans.

"You haven't worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership," Mrs Clinton told the delegates.

Calling Mr McCain "my colleague and my friend", Mrs Clinton proceeded to tear into him as a voice of the past and little more than a clone of the deeply unpopular president George Bush. "We don't need four more years of the last eight years, more economic stagnation … more war and less diplomacy," she said.

And she congratulated herself and her campaign for bringing to the national consciousness a myriad of issues important to Americans, and women in particular.

"To my supporters, to my champions, to my sisterhood of the travelling pantsuits, from the bottom of my heart, thank you," she said. "Together we made history."


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SouthernGent,

28/08/2008 00:15:37
Like the politician she is, Hillary will say what the party tells her to say. But in the back of her mind you just know she doesn't mean it. If Obama wins, she will have to wait 8 years to run again, vs 4 if Obama loses. She doesn't like that one bit.
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SouthernGent,

28/08/2008 00:46:18
And the boogey mans under my bed.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/08/2008 01:01:26
Obama should be getting a big spike out of this DNC convention, that is his popularity should shoot up by 8-10 percentage points - or else Obama is in trouble. In US politics the winner of the presidential race is normally orchestrated by the ruling regime. Even the candidate himself who is designated to lose will frequently cooperate with that goal.

If the Democrats take the White House, then a lot of Democrat Party voters will demand that we withdraw all troops from Iraq quickly. They'll feel that with the US House, the US Senate and the White House all 3 under Democrat control there is no excuse. They'll have no tolerance for pro-war policies.

But if the Republicans win the White House, then the government will be divided and thus loyal democrat voters more tolerant of pro-war policies among Democrat leaders of the US House/US Senate. The Congress (House & Senate) must approve the money for the wars. Democrats who are the majority in congress vote strongly to provide the funding with the excuse that they have to because they don't control the White House.

Anything to keep the people stringing along and still thinking that somehow the government will serve them. Two thirds of Americans want a complete withdrawal from Iraq war and quickly, yet the government refuses to do this.

It is very odd that McCain is doing so well in the polls now because the Republicans are completely discredited under Bush.
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2dogs in D.C.,

28/08/2008 01:48:55
#4-Does the boogyman pay rent? The Snallygaster in my basement does.
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2dogs in D.C.,

28/08/2008 02:06:50
Hell, me,I'm a democrat.Of course we're not unified. That's what makes us so, well, democratic. We're not lockstepped.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/08/2008 02:09:29
If the Democrats lose this race, it will be likely because they are a fake opposition, only there to molify the people without any real results. The Bush policies are hated, McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time, he is a Bush side-kick not a maverick. Why is Obama not doing well in polls? Some polls are showing McCain ahead. During the convention there should be a big spike for Obama. Democrats are unpopular also. But if they would sincerely and strongly oppose the ruling regime, they'd find themselves popular.

Our country is being seduced into evil. Here is a story about how that process works. People can be easily led by their leaders down any path.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/ted_zimbardo

and here is a story about some US soldiers who confessed to a war crime, but are not put on trial.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3897&Disp=3#C3
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 02:13:10

Is She "Hillary" not like an 'old babe',?, fab for her age!
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Eboneesha,

28/08/2008 02:22:02
#9 Charles Linskaill

I think I'm going to get sick. Do you like women with Kankles and huge saggy bums?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/08/2008 02:23:09
well maybe if the Democrats really tried to represent the people, then the people would support them. I can understand the Republicans voting to fund the Iraq war because about 70% of republican voters favor continuing that war. and so Republican lawmakers vote almost 100% to fund the war. But why do Democrat lawmakers vote 90% to fund the war??? When over 90% of democrat voters want to stop the war post-haste.

If the Democrats are going to be a fake opposition, expect them to lose this race. Like in 2004, just 1 week before the election a poll showed 55% of the Americans wanted to withdraw completely from Iraq, yet both candidates for president were extremely pro-war. here we go again.

Bill Clinton is speaking now. He is a crook and many people were murdered to protect him while he was president. US government investigators did a drug test on a countertop in his office while he was president and found cocaine. and when he was president he directed the US military to attack 4 nations without any cause whatsoever, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan. Troops were in Somalia yes when he became president, but he ordered that they attack the big meeting in summer of 93 where Somali leaders were meeting, surprise attack, without provocation, killed 80 people, no reason, no rhyme.

The democrats are a disgrace. no wonder they're not popular. we have tweedle-dee & tweedle-dum.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/08/2008 02:37:33
2 dogs:

Ron Paul votes 'no' on 100% of the war-funding bills. Why can't the Democrats do that? I read an article about how the democrats (90% of them) voted for a war-funding bill, then they issued a collective statement that said the Republicans made them do it. But the Democrats are a majority. and the constitution prohibits the President from spending money in a manner the congress does not approve. It only takes a 50% vote to stop war-funding and the Democrats have far more than 50% as well as some Republicans to vote with them. The president can't veto a bill that is not passed. The president can't dictate that spending be approved by the Congress. IF the Democrats don't provide the war-funding and the president continues spending on the war, then the president would be a criminal and subject to immediate removal from office by the Congress. The impeachment & removal process can be done in 2 days if Congress wants. If the president spends money the congress doesn't approve, he'll be highly impeachable.

Why do the Democrats vote to fund the war when the people oppose it? How come Democrats can't do the will of the people like Ron Paul does?
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D-945,

28/08/2008 02:46:30
A is for Arkansas, where Bill Clinton got his political start, where Hillary Rodham Clinton worked at Rose Law Firm, and where Whitewater began as a land deal between the Clintons and Jim and Susan McDougal.

B is for Billing-gate, Hillary Clinton's missing law-billing records. Those records -- which raised questions about Mrs. Clinton's role in the Castle Grande deal -- were subpoenaed in 1994. They were missing until early 1996, when they turned up in a White House room next to her office. She says she doesn't know how they got there.

C is for Cattlegate, Hillary Clinton's mysterious ability to turn a $1,000 investment into a $100,000 profit on cattle futures, a feat experts say was virtually impossible in normal trading.

C is also for Castle Grande, a real-estate scheme that federal regulators say was a sham. A federal inspector general's report found Hillary Clinton drew up the legal papers that were used to improperly funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars to Seth Ward, father-in-law of her ex-law partner Webster Hubbell.

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D-945,

28/08/2008 02:47:27
D is for Billy Dale, the career head of the White House Travel Office, who was fired along with six other career staffers, to make way for Clinton cronies in Travelgate. The White House then brought in the FBI to justify the firing, and Dale was hit with criminal charges that wrecked his life for two years. A jury cleared him in just two hours.

E is for Mike Espy, the former agriculture secretary who was forced out over charges that he got gifts and favors from Arkansas-based Tyson foods, whose owners were longtime Clinton backers. A special counsel has brought several indictments, though not against Espy.

F is for Filegate, the improper White House rummaging through 900 FBI files on Republican officials in the Bush and Reagan administration. The White House says it was an innocent snafu. Republicans suspect an enemies list. Whitewater independent counsel Ken Starr and several congressional committees are probing.

G is for Golfgate, ex-White House aide David Watkins' improper use of presidential helicopters for a personal golf outing. He was forced to resign. In the 1992 presidential campaign, Clinton aides tried to use taxpayer funds to help settle a sexual harassment case filed by a fellow campaign worker against Watkins.

H is for Hillary Clinton, whose role has been questioned in Filegate, Travelgate, Billing-gate, Whitewater and Castle Grande. She denies any wrongdoing.

H is also for Hubbell, in jail after pleading guilty to bilking law clients on charges brought by Whitewater independent counsel Starr. Hubbell was previously the associate attorney general, the No. 3 Justice Department office.

I is for Indonesiagate, featuring the Lippo group, a firm with long-standing ties to Bill Clinton, Clinton cronies and Arkansas. Republicans want to know why an Indonesian couple -- of apparently modest means -- with ties to Lippo gave $452,000 to the Democratic National Committee and what the firm may have gotten in return. Lippo also hired Hubbell
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D-945,

28/08/2008 02:49:47
J is for Paula Jones, who accuses President Clinton of sexual harassment, saying he dropped his pants and asked for oral sex in an Arkansas hotel room while he was governor and she was a state employee. The U.S. Supreme Court will rule this fall on whether her case must wait until after Clinton leaves office, as he demands.

K is for William Kennedy, another ex-Hillary Clinton law partner who became a White House lawyer and was forced to resign after concealing his failure to pay nanny taxes. He was reprimanded for his role in Travelgate.

L is for Craig Livingstone, the ex-bar bouncer with a history of drug use who was the head of White House security. Two FBI agents say it was Hillary Clinton who demanded his hiring, which she denies. Disgraced Clinton political guru Dick Morris's hooker pal, Sherry Rowlands, claims Morris told her a "paranoid" Hillary Clinton was behind Filegate. He says he only told her that's what polls show.

M is for Jim and Susan McDougal, the Clintons' Whitewater partners, both of whom have been convicted of fraud. Jim McDougal is said to be helping Whitewater independent counsel Starr. Susan McDougal is in jail for refusing to say whether President Clinton lied when he denied knowing about an illegal $300,000 loan to bail out Whitewater. The loan wasn't repaid, and taxpayers were left holding the bag.

M is also for disgraced political guru Dick Morris.

N is for Bernard Nussbaum, the former White House lawyer who barred federal investigators from searching Vince Foster's office after Foster's death. Nussbaum also withheld Foster's diary on Travelgate problems from federal probers for more than a year. Nussbaum was forced to resign for botching damage-control efforts.

O is for Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary, the frequent flier who drew up an enemies list of reporters, hired an image consultant at taxpayer expense, and has run up huge tabs on overseas trips.

P is for Pardons,
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D-945,

28/08/2008 02:52:45
Q is for all the questions -- unanswered -- on Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, Cattlegate and Billgate.

R is for Sherry Rowlands, the $200-an-hour hooker who revealed her ongoing affair with Clinton political guru Dick Morris, the author of Clinton's family-values strategy, forcing Morris to resign.

R is also for the Rose Law Firm, where Hillary Clinton, Vince Foster, Webster Hubbell and William Kennedy were partners, as was Joseph Giroir, a key figure in the Lippo group.

S is for Kenneth Starr, the Whitewater independent counsel probing Filegate, Travelgate and Vince Foster's death. He has won 15 convictions or guilty pleas, including both McDougals and former Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker, who was forced to resign. Starr says his probes are active and ongoing, and there is widespread speculation he will have more indictments after the election, possibly including one of Hillary Clinton.

T is for Travelgate, the Clintons' firing of career travel staffers like Billy Dale to make way for Clinton cronies. White House memos say Hillary Clinton was behind the firings -- she denies it -- and that she was spurred on by Clinton Hollywood pal Harry Thomason, who was seeking a piece of the lucrative White House charter business.

U is for undue influence and the question of whether that is what Lippo was seeking though megabucks contributions to Democrats. Lippo has close ties to Indonesia's brutal dictatorship, responsible for near-genocide in East Timor, which it occupied two decades ago.

V is for Vince Foster, the former Hillary Clinton law partner who became a White House lawyer and was found dead, an apparent suicide with a gunshot wound to the head. He apparently was a central figure in Travelgate and Filegate and handled Whitewater matters for the Clintons. Starr is examining his death and has yet to confirm former prober Bob Fiske's conclusion that it was a suicide in the park where Foster was found.

W is for Whitewater, the Arkansas land
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D-945,

28/08/2008 02:53:13
W is for Whitewater, the Arkansas land deal that started it all, with questions about whether the Clintons improperly benefitted from funds Jim McDougal's Madison Guarantee savings-and-loan, which went belly up, costing taxpayers an estimated $60 million.

X is for the Xeroxed copy of Hillary Clinton's law billing records that were found in the white House book room, two years after they were first sought. The pages had Mrs. Clinton's fingerprints around the section on Castle Grande - there were red ink notations in the late Vince Foster's handwriting.

Y is for the the young White House aides who were hired by the Clinton administration despite FBI background checks that found "recent" use of hard drugs like cocaine, crack and hallucinogens.

Z is for zippers -- the one Paula Jones claims that the then-Arkansas governor undid (see J) and the one Gennifer Flowers claims Clinton undid during what she insists was a long-running affair. He denies the claims.

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Wally,

By THe Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/08/2008 05:24:45
the info D-945 put up is pretty accurate. although I'm sure many will object to the sensational style of the writer (who was not D-945). You see Clinton was selected to be the president by the regime that rules in part because Clinton was a scandal machine. There were many scandals against him. In this way if he were disloyal to the regime that rules he could be exited & disgraced very easily. A police officer swore under oath that back in summer of 1992 he attended a meeting with Bill Clinton where a CIA officer told Clinton during the meeting that if he didn't stop taking so much money from the cocaine smuggling operation in his state, that the CIA would not favor him in the campaign prior to the election and that they'd pick someone else to back. Clinton was taking more money than agreed upon apparently according to the police officer who said these things under oath.

The other reason for selecting a scandal machine for president is so that a portion of the Americans could be carefully groomed into hating the Democrats and being loyal republican voters. Then they bring a republican into the white house and do the opposite, nurture a group of americans to hate the republicans and thus always vote democrat to stop the republicans. then as long as the people vote for 1 of the 2 big parties, the ruling regime is in charge.

Let me just expand the story & remember Jim McDougal. As above info says, McDougal & his wife Susan were business partners with Bill & Hilary in 1980's. in the mid-1990's while president there were prosecutions concerning that business. Susan & Jim got a divorce prior to this happening. But Susan decided not to cooperate with the investigation. She served time in jail as a result. Jim McDougal somehow ended up in jail, but was not through with the prosecutors. He had health problems. and he decided he was going to rat out the president. He made it known that he'd do this. and before the prosecutors got his deposition he di
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/08/2008 05:25:30
He made it known that he'd do this. and before the prosecutors got his deposition he died. This is what happened. I remember, everyone on the discussion forums was wondering how long Jim would live after he let it be known that he would testify. A US Army helicopter landed at his prison in a surprise unscheduled visit. A US Army officer got out of the helicopter and went straight to the warden's office. At conclusion of meeting the officer went to the helicopter and took off. But someone went to McDougal's cell and gave him a shot is what the other prisoners said. Then Jim died.

In America we've had lots & lots & lots of incidents like this.

Our people watch tv and are not informed. Of the info that D-945 put up a lot of that stuff sounds a little frivilous & silly. But the journalist could tell the story differently to be more hard-hitting. His job was to nurture that group that wants to have a grudge against democrats, not to actually communicate the corruption effectively.

I could tell you many stories, including stories of many people who ended up dead. There have been deaths under the bush admin also, where it looks like murder for one reason or another. Some involved scandals where the Bush people are being protected. More often it involved people who just didn't go along with the agenda.
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r1niceboy,

Nebraska 28/08/2008 05:31:55
My wife is at the convention as a Clinton delegate. She spoke of a lot of the Puma (Party unity my a$$) women giving ground and shelving their floor coup attempt. Besides, the campaign is moving along the lines of sticking McCain into a Bush costume. Obama will pick up most of the Hillary people if they make him look like Bush III.

#1 Betcha a dollar you is being a white boy. You forgot to mention the times that she applauded Hillary's speech, which was considerably better than the effort of her Hubby tonight.
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r1niceboy,

nebraska 28/08/2008 05:47:43
I don't know who this Chris Stevens is, but he needs to realise that what he would like to be the case and what actually is aren't neccesarily the same thing. Hillary did a stand up job on behalf of Obama, and gave a fair chunk of praise.

And Biden tonight did exactly the same thing as Clinton did, calling McCain a friend, then immediately calling his positions wrong. That's to make sure that they're attacking McCain on his record over the last few years, as he plays the POW card. They wan't him to be portrayed as having been great, but now is adled and incompetent.

All of the speeches were likely vetted by Obama's staff, and there hasn't been one event this week in Denver that hasn't been scripted to make unity the primary focus.
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Boy Wonder,

28/08/2008 07:28:33
We really really really don't want the Republicans have another 4 years in the White House. The Democrats have to unite to keep McCain out. The part bosses can always have Obama assassinated in a few years so that their preferred choice, Hillary gets her chance later.
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Media 1,

cape town 28/08/2008 07:40:49
Bill Clinton made his speech last night and in it he said that "HE won the presidency because he was on the right side of history" he went on to say that Obama was also on the right side of history!

The Clinton camp is full of weirdo's. A former President who was almost run out of office. A former first lady who has so much pride in herself she stayed with a man who got his c*kc sucked by an intern. Both of them liars, both of them hypocrites and both of them losers in this recent candidate race.
On the McCain side of the fence we have a glut of fundamentalist western styled terrorists trying to oust the man who wants to bring peace to the world.

Obama IS the most powerful man in America right now. He WILL be the president of the United States of America and that is great news.
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Allan(handofgod137),

28/08/2008 13:33:29
Has it been established that he's actually eligible to run as there's some doubt over his citizenship?
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Sandi,

San Diego 28/08/2008 14:48:08
All the Democratic Party had to do for there to be unity behind the nominee was to make sure the primaries were run fairly and that teh roll-call vote was fair and open, just like it has been for the last 100 plus years.

Instead, the party "leaders", Dean, pelosi, Brazile and Reid, colluded with Obama, failed to quash his campaign's bullies who either threatened Hillary's voters or just plain shut them out at caucuses. It's easy to "win" a caucus like that. The DNC did nothing.

The rol-call vote yesterday was a farce. The party had a secret ballot in the morning, which is against their own rules. After forcing Hillary to plead for "unity", they forced her to release her delegates, and then made her be the one to make the motion to nominate Obama by acclamation. If they were so sure that he was the actual winner, why were they too afraid to have a real roll-call vote?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/08/2008 15:17:17
I agree with Sandi on the roll-call vote. the political parties should be allowed to have divisions. The choice of the candidate should be made at the convention. the conventions have become worthless hollywood shows. The speeches are phony.

a long time ago it was very different. It used to be normal that there was no clear winner going into the conventions and they'd sometimes have to vote several times before they got a winner. The system was never really good, but it was much better. The 'managers' have destroyed it.
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SouthernGent,

28/08/2008 15:35:48
The conventions are nothing more than glorified pep rallys. The party plans every speech and every aspect of the convention. The participants are talking puppets, and you know the Clintons are biting their tongues.
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Sandi,

San Diego 28/08/2008 15:37:26
I had to rake my daughter tot eh bus stop!

The point is that by failing to hold fair, open clean primaries, and having a roll-call "vote" that pointedly ignored over half teh votes that were cast, the feeling that many of us have now is that we have a nominee who was selected by the party "leaders" and whom we do not want.

So now little black boys can finally dream of running for president. How nice. African Americnas constitute rougly 12% of the population of this country. Slighltly more than half are female, so less than 6% can now feel as thought they might have a future as president. They'll still have to excel in school first.

Women constitute 52% of the population of this country, white, black, latina, you name it, all women. We have been relegated to second best yet again. Well, not even second best, because the woman who won more votes than Obama wasn't even considered for Vice President.

Obama will not win in November. Too many of Hillary's supporters are to angry at how she has been treated, plus Obama still has made no effort at all to give us a reason to vote for him. Not being John McCain isn't enough.

The Republicans will now make sure tht everyone, no matter how little attention they pay, will know all about William Ayres and Rezko and all the rest of Obma's dubious past. I don't think Americans will elect a president who is good friends with an unrepentant terrorist, even if the terrorist's daddy's company (Exelon) is one of his biggest financers.
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Sandi,

San Diego 28/08/2008 15:40:33
I'm sorry for all the typos, even more than usual. I really do know how to spell!
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Black Beard,

28/08/2008 19:41:56
She looked like a giant loud mouthed carrot. I think what she didn't say was more telling than what she did.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 28/08/2008 20:26:26
This lady is obsessed with the out - smarting of her sexual deviant and depraved husband in the political power and glory stakes !

She is determined to get Hilary's name into the future history books whatever the cost and no matter the method used in achieving such?
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CombatVet68,

New Babylon 29/08/2008 07:38:25
I was a democrap for many years, until they sold their soul to the devil. Now they support every evil policy that comes across the board on capital hill.

In truth, Satan and his followers have won a huge victory with Obama's confirmation. He is a servant of his father Lucifer, for he endorses legitimizing homosexual unions, infanticide, higher taxes, recommends that we teach our children spanish as our primary language, sanctions partial birth abortions, is being backed by the corrupt political machinery in Chicago, and is a liar, claiming that he is a "Christian". He should read his Bible, for in it he would find that the Lord of Hosts does not endorse his policies. Does anyone see the arrogance of this man, looking at his Roman forum as a back drop for his photo ops at the convention? I seriously doubt that, under Obama, this country will last four more years.

If this country does elect him to the presidency, the people who supported him, along with those who were to apathetic to vote against him, will get just what they deserve. More conflict, less security, more spending and waste, after all Democraps are far more active in Pork Barrell politics than any other political party. Pertsonally, I think the world is going to hell on the A train.
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Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 29/08/2008 12:08:46
10 Eboneesha

LOL

 

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