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Workers on £40k-£100k 'must pay more'



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Published Date: 25 November 2008
ALISTAIR Darling yesterday staked £20 billion on bringing the country out of recession, saying the "unprecedented global crisis" required decisive action.
The Chancellor tore up his own projections, made in the Budget only eight months ago, to reveal the scale of the economic crisis facing the UK and the vast sums needed to spend it out of the recession.

Unveiling his Pre-Budget Report (PBR), Mr Darling claimed Britain was facing the recession from a "position of relative strength" – prompting hoots of derision from opposition benches in the Commons as Labour MPs sat glum-faced.

George Osborne, the Tory shadow chancellor, said Mr Darling had "placed a huge unexploded tax bombshell timed to go off underneath the future economic recovery" with his massive borrowing demands.

But the City appeared more impressed, with the FTSE rallying as Mr Darling gave his report, closing up 9.84 per cent, the highest ever one-day rise.

Mr Darling said: "In these exceptional circumstances, allowing borrowing to rise is the right choice for the country."

He scrapped the fiscal rules introduced by Gordon Brown a decade ago, saying it would be "perverse and damaging" to attempt to keep net debt at just 40 per cent of the economy at a time of financial crisis, and when inflation was expected to drop almost to zero.

According to figures in yesterday's PBR, he will be forced to borrow more than £500 billion by 2014 – almost £300 billion more than expectations – by which time public-sector net debt will be £1,084 billion, or more than £1 trillion.

This means the economy will not start to come back towards balance until 2015-6 – and not a single year until then will see income from taxes exceed the amount of government spending.

As expected, Mr Darling announced a temporary cut in VAT. It will fall from 17.5 per cent to 15 per cent for 13 months from 1 December in an effort to kickstart a pre-Christmas boom on the high street.

He also announced the introduction of a 45 per cent higher tax band for people earning above £150,000. This will be introduced from April 2011.

Pensions and child and family tax credits will also rise, as will personal income tax allowances. But he sparked concern when he revealed that there would be a 0.5 per cent increase in National Insurance for both employees and employers from April 2011.

The Chancellor's aides said the effect of the changes would be to benefit people on incomes under £40,000. Those earning between £40,000 and £100,000 would pay an extra £150 in tax a year.

Mr Darling also moved to prevent his temporary cut in VAT resulting in cheaper alcohol, cigarettes and petrol. All will face higher levies – with whisky and fuel more expensive than now.

The Scotch Whisky Association said the 8 per cent rise in excise duty – combined with the temporary 2.5 per cent cut in VAT – amounted to a 4 per cent tax increase on a bottle of whisky, on top of a 9 per cent excise duty increase in March.

Mr Osborne said the Chancellor had "borrowed more on the nation's credit card than all previous governments put together – and now he's taking out another credit card".

He added: "It is confirmation of the time-old truth that in the end all Labour chancellors run out of money and all Labour governments bring this country to the verge of bankruptcy."

Stewart Hosie, the SNP finance spokesman at Westminster, said the government had missed an opportunity to inject £1 billion into the Scottish economy, but he welcomed its "direction of travel" on increasing consumer spending, major projects and higher-level tax increases.

Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat treasury spokesman, said everyone earning more than £19,000 would be hit by higher National Insurance.

"The new 45p income tax rate is nothing more than a fig leaf to cover a £5 billion tax hike which will hit millions of low earners and businesses," he said.

Richard Lambert, director-general of the CBI, said it would be a "long, hard haul" to meet the Chancellor's targets for future savings. He said "only time will tell" whether the VAT cut stimulated the economy.

Stephen Robertson, director-general of the British Retail Consortium, said he was nervous about the short-term measures – and warned of National Insurance rises having a major impact when they come into effect.

He added: "Retail employs nearly three million people, 11 per cent of the workforce. In 2011, the Chancellor believes we will just be emerging from recession. This seems an extraordinary time to be increasing this tax on jobs."

Russell Hills, head of tax for KPMG in Scotland, said: "Today's measures won't prevent a recession, but are designed to stop it turning into a prolonged slump."


THE PRE-BUDGET REPORT: FULL COVERAGE

The full article contains 821 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/11/2008 22:43:40
As Russell Hills, head of tax for KPMG in Scotland, said: "The Chancellor is right to finance the package through borrowing and to delay offsetting tax rises or spending cuts until the economy stabilises."

Pension Credit up.
Child Benefir up.
A new Savings Gateway.
Deferred Corporation Tax increase.

Alistair Darling, the right man to prevent the recession turning into a slump.
2

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:02:06
increased fuel. increased tax on alcohol.

werent you moaning about the snp doing the same thing a few weeks ago rufus are you now all for it then?

also care to comment on the calman commision falling apart

Tory MSPs silenced on Holyrood tax
They are told not to speak to Calman Commission for fear of storing up trouble for David Cameron
3

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:04:33
and what about the increase on national insurance?
4

TommyKaye,

UK 25/11/2008 00:04:42
What he didn't say..... alcohol and tobacco

Alcohol duty up 8% from Monday December 1st - HM Treasury

Tobacco duty up 4% from 6PM this evening - HM Treasury

This is dirty maths I accept, but if the VAT cut is 2.5% but the duty cost is 8% and 4% respectively, it suggests that things are going up but have been hidden away.

BY THE WAY RUFUS IS ENGLISH YOUR FIRST LANGAUGE?
5

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:05:20
2 that link for you rufus

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5213506.ece
6

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:06:19
the increase in fuel is really going to hurt buisness.

and of course it will probably result in an incrase on domestic fuel.
7

Colkitto,

River Clyde 25/11/2008 00:17:52
It is supposed to enhance spending..well, if I make an extra £20 a week (have not got a clue in real terms what I will make out of the budget, if anything)
I won't be going on a mad spending spree...I'll save for a rainy day or when the Tax hikes come in for the next 15 to 20 years !
8

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:25:28
8 everning mr fruitycake......
9

Rufus T. Firefly,

25/11/2008 00:26:33
4 TommyKaye,UK 25/11/2008 00:04:42

"BY THE WAY RUFUS IS ENGLISH YOUR FIRST LANGAUGE?"

Thats a classic.

He questions my English because of a typo.

As everyone can see the clown cannot spell "LANGUAGE".

TommyKaye=Numptie.

10

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:28:17
so no comment on the tax increases then rufus....
11

Rufus T. Firefly,

25/11/2008 00:28:49
"Rufus T. Fruitcake,25/11/2008 00:22:54

I notice your amazing ability to log-on 75 minutes before the rest of us."

Yes Fruitcake, losers like you only get on to look at the stories well after the important people have had first look.
12

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:29:06
does he thats nice......

how are you........xxxx

13

Rufus T. Firefly,

25/11/2008 00:29:28
12 karin.m,25/11/2008 00:28:17

What Tax increases?
14

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:29:55
13 ooooo (waves hands under chin)

thems fighting wordees.

15

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:30:26
the fuel tax the the tax on drink the tax on cigarretes.
16

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:31:07
the increased NI contbibutions

the tax on higher earners.

the tax increases to come because britian will be one trillion in debt.
17

Rufus T. Firefly,

25/11/2008 00:31:25
Taxes go up, taxes go down.

Whats the problem?
18

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:32:00
rufus firefly do you frequent that bar your named after in glasgow a lot.
19

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:32:38
19 about 1 trillion.........
20

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:33:33
now who was it who said no more boom and bust.....

remind me firefly.......
21

karin.m,

25/11/2008 00:35:00
care to comment on the aircraft carrier contract for govan being in trouble rufus?
22

Rufus T. Firefly,

25/11/2008 00:37:39
"20 karin.m,25/11/2008 00:32:00
rufus firefly do you frequent that bar your named after in glasgow a lot."

Yes I go to Grouchos all the time?

Do you still drink in the Blue Dog?
23

SkeptikScot,

25/11/2008 01:02:29
Sniff, sniff ... old Labour is back.
24

karin.m,

25/11/2008 01:04:50
25 actually if im in the town i prefer the drum and monkey.

not that i can afford it now with brown causing this recession.
25

karin.m,

25/11/2008 01:05:58
26 have you caught cold because of you high fuel bills under gordon brown.?
26

Millerman1,

25/11/2008 01:11:31
See the snp LIT is going down well.lol

NOT!
27

Forward not Back,

25/11/2008 01:18:28
And the client state of Labour voters are safe as the taxpayer in the private sector picks up the bill.

Better emigrate now before the airline taxes take effect. I can see Australia, Canada and New Zealand putting the shutters up though as they don't seem to have issues with "asylum seekers".
28

karin.m,

25/11/2008 01:21:34
29 would this be the majority ie 55 percent of people who like it your talking about?
29

One-man-bucket's older twin,

25/11/2008 01:22:17
Surely they could recoup some cash by mean-testing child benefit and only giving it to those in need. Every other benefit is means-tested, but the wealthiest parents in the land can get cash from the tax taken from the poorest.
30

Millerman1,

25/11/2008 01:25:08
31#

This would be the soon to be buried snp failure called LIT.

It makes the Labour tax plans look good.lol.


31

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/11/2008 02:37:20
#8 Mr Fruitcake

"#1, I notice your amazing ability to log-on 75 minutes before the rest of us."

The only person who was able to that was AM2, so the question for Rufus T.Barfly is are you really AM2 in another guise or are you another professional troll paid by the Hootsman?
32

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

25/11/2008 04:16:24
The Traitors of Glenrothes have a lot to answer for. Thier cowardice in the face of adversity will be remembered by an unforgiving nation in 2010.
33

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 05:21:19
35
Why are you making threats to the people of Glenrothes? What is the "unforgiving nation" going to do to them in 2010?
34

Brideun,

Culloden 25/11/2008 06:52:02
Bet Gordie Broon wishes he had not flogged off our gold reserves at the bottom of the market!
Current crash yet further evidence that socialism always ends in failure but each generation of lefties never learn from the past clinging on to an illusion of utopia.
35

AbandonAllHope,

25/11/2008 07:02:24
He's Scottish, considering our track record recently at turning the world into a pile of mince he will ruin evrything for generations to come.
36

Ian C,

Fife 25/11/2008 07:06:33
At one time the comments in Scotsman were sensible. Now it is like a bunch of wee boys who read the Daily Star before tripping to the loo. Grow up. No wonder the English and a bunch of traitor Scots can run rings around us !

Rufus T Firelfy (land on any cowpats recently ?): you need to get a life mate.
37

SouthernSkye,

25/11/2008 07:36:39
15 Rufus T. Firefly
..."what tax increases..."?

How about the one where VAT on road fuel is reduced then duty on the same is increased thus meaning business can claim less back for every litre of fuel? How about that this will lead to increased costs of everything as businesses will recoup the extra costs by passing those costs on to the consumer. This will lead to food price increases and domestic fuel increases especially to those of us who need to have heating oil delivered.

How about the increases in NI, both employers and employees NI. This is a cynical tax that may well lead to job cuts or, at the least, restrict the chances of business expansion.

If Darling wanted to help the poorer and the economy he should have removed VAT on domestic fuels/energy.
Reduced the VAT on higher rated goods and NOT increased duty on road fuel.
Returned the 10% income tax rate.
These I would have welcomed as heading in the right direction.
38

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 07:45:18
Looking at these measures from a small business perspective there is very little to commend.

The rate of VAT is largely irrelevant to many businesses that trade exclusively with other businesses.(Vat charged is simply netted off against VAT paid).

However, if the reduction in VAT is to be funded by an increase in fuel duty, this will effectively lead to a significant net increase in the cost of fuel. This will lead to increasing distribution costs and affect all sectors of the economy.

Prices to the consumer will inevitably require to rise and any benefit of the VAT rate cut will easily be swallowed up.

The increase in employer payroll taxes is hardly going to act as an incentive for small businesses to take on more workers.

Basically, the emperor has no clothes.
39

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 07:48:48
#40
Perhaps Rufus will think we are both quoting from the same Head Office briefing sheet. :)
40

Athiest,

swansea 25/11/2008 07:49:49
26
Now that can't be bad.
41

brownlie,

25/11/2008 08:08:45
42 bully wee alba

"Perhaps Rufus will think" - lol!
42

PC Caledonia,

25/11/2008 08:12:20
Some jolly interesting contributions here already!
43

Marian,

25/11/2008 08:38:36
The tax on so called higher earners is just another smoke screen by New Labour to try and placate their rank and file supporters who will shortly experience businesses and jobs disappearing like "snow off a dyke in July".

The tax amount raised will be no more than £2billion which is a mere drop in the ocean when compared to the £1,084 billion, or more than £1 trillion that the UK public-sector net debt is after New Labour's 11 year mis-management of the UK economy.
44

Donnie Murdo,

Western Isles 25/11/2008 09:09:29
Incredible!

Darling wants the rich to fund this recession beating package by taxing them more yet Salmond gets slated for proposing a parallel idea (months ago) by taxing the rich a little more via LIT to fund essential services.

Yet we still have people like @1 supporting Darlings codswallop and slating Salmond yesterday when it was proposed that the SG should have more tax rasing powers and /or treasury even though it's the same idea in principle with the headline that the rich will leave Scotland and move to England in thier droves.

Aye? The rich will leave the UK altogether once darlings Super Tax goes ahead. Blinkered so ye's are.

What Salmond should do is drop tax a little and sit back and watch all the disenfranchised high earners in England ENTER Scotland in thier droves.
45

Warden An' All, Reborn,

25/11/2008 09:47:18
47-Donnie Murdo-The difference between the two is with salmond what he has called for is for keeps. With Darling it could just feel like it is lasting for keeps due to the length of the recession.
46

cabrach loon,

inverness 25/11/2008 09:54:23
dumb - 2.5% off VAT is nil, the only viable thing to do would be to cut it by 10% at least for 4 months say, that would get people buying cars, kitchens, house changes etc. Review after 4 months. As for the rest it is just laboiur spin but the future debt is frightening, I lived thgrough rationing after the 2nd WW so as to pay off the war debt, then Wilson's mess with exchange controls and that is where we are headed - all nulab want is to make thngs hellish for any government that kicks them out and inherits their diabolical mess.
Darling's basic idea is OK but the implementation awful, and why so slow and in the end it is a sop to those on benefits and in jail to vote labour and a kick in the teeth for all workers.
And as for the rest private busiuinesses haveto sack their staff and - or go bankrupt but nulab never really lay off their core voters of civil servants.
47

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 09:56:17
The Labour Party and socialism defecates on our doorstep again .... Time to leave this morally and financially bankrupt country ...
48

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 25/11/2008 10:49:50
23 Karin Form the inside The latest buzz is the carrier contract may be postponed untill 2024. There is also a strong possibility that they will then be used to replace the trident subs to save money, The armoured vehicles for the army are delayed as well we will be having to make do with soft vehicles in afganistan for another 5 years yet. and the helicopters will be delayed. we have heard that the navy and the RAF are to be shrunk back by a quarter and there is a possibility that we will be leaving NATO to join a european army in competition with NATO
so there you have it savings all round
49

Brian S,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 11:13:03
The likes of Rufus only care if it's the likes of the SNP or the Conservatives proposing to increase the tax burden. But his tune soon changes when it's his fellow comrades implementing such policies.

You keep waiving that red flag Rufus.
50

lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/11/2008 12:21:45
Write off all debt - start again - bobs yer uncle - a season of good will !
51

Lennox11,

25/11/2008 12:22:18
Nobody picks a pocket or two like a labour chancellor!
52

Lennox11,

25/11/2008 12:23:36
How come I paid 35p for my paper this morning, should it not have been 34.7p, retail robbers!
53

Lennox11,

25/11/2008 12:25:48
Well 5p increace if you earn more than £150k, so i will only get &900k as a bonus instead of a million, how will i survive?
54

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 25/11/2008 12:42:36
50 ''The Labour Party and socialism defacate on our doorstep again''.

Did you believe the headlines about the rich paying more ? They won't really be taxing them 'til the pips squeak', that's just an election gimmick.
55

Miss H,

25/11/2008 13:24:50
47 It['s very simple - tax cuts for the poor and tax increases for the rich are a BAD idea if proposed by the SNP but a GOOD idea if proposed by anybody else.
56

BIG EYE,

Paisley 25/11/2008 13:31:09
Can somebody explain when even the Chancellor admits that people earning £40,000 or more will be worse off the BBC continue to insist that you need to earn £100,000+ plus before you lose out?

Has nobody told them their support for Labour is now ahead of the Party themselves?
57

Number 6,

Germany 25/11/2008 13:47:22
Yet again the unionistas make themselves look so foolish in their pathetic attempts to bolster Liebour's economic strategy. Their hypocrasy is now reaching obscene levels.

When will they admit that their Liebour heros are clueless. Can they really not see it ?. I suppose it would explain the fact that liebour can still rely on them to vote sheep like for them regardless of the damage they are doing to THEIR country.

Please, all unionistas, in this age of stem cell technology, there must be some way for you all to develop a backbone.
58

Nikostratos,,

25/11/2008 14:14:27
#60 who is number one

Perhaps you can tell us who predicted this economic downturn and why did Alex salmond big up the arc on insolvency nations. And all you hear now from him is a faint muffled noise and he struggles in that black bag of nonentity this Global economic crisis has put him and the little snp Scotlanders in.

We have a way to go before our 'hypocrisy' (the right spelling snigger he he)reaches the heights of the snps and their mad dog(woof woof) extremists disciples.

and as for backbone mine will be straight enough come the day we rid this nation of you lot.
59

Nikostratos,,

25/11/2008 14:44:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/



"More than a decade after the 1997 landslide, some will say that Labour has gone back to its socialist roots."

"Tonight, the British economy has taken on a Scandinavian, left-wing tinge."


Suck on that snp,,
60

Number 6,

Germany 25/11/2008 15:16:18
AHHH poor Nikostratos. How weak you must feel as you and your fellow englanders sit on the sidelines and watch a bunch of Scottish village idiots run your country for you. How does that feel being unable to look after your own affairs, unable to breed anyone of leadership quality.

I thought it was humiliating enough when Englandshire could not even produce a man capable of managing your own national football team. Are you all really that weak ?. I must say, with the plethora of Scots at the top of your political parties, you can look forward to Scots, even our lowest grade (Unionista Liebour), running your affairs for you for the forseeable future.

How pathetic and weak is that ?
61

Alan B,

25/11/2008 15:46:16
#Nikostratos

Alot of people knew the UK was heading for an economic downturn. In fact i do not know anyone with any interest in the economy that did not.

Everyone knew Brown had build an economy on poor foundations with huge levels of personal debt. Anyone can grow an economy for a while based on huge consumer spending based on debt and spending more than we take in taxes on the public sector.

Did anyone seriously with a clue not think that massive house price inflation would not hit the economy at some point.

What was more unpredictable was the sheer scale of the economic downturn and the sheer level of incompetence from Brown. Most i think would think that he would have regulated the banking sector to ensure stability as we do not all follow capital requirement of the banking system or the banks dependency on the credit markets. Neither were we aware of the deception that Brown has allowed with banks like Nothern Rock holding 50billion mortgages offshore in childrens charities (kids obviously get no money).

I think while most that have any interest in politics and economics knew the British economy was at some point going to run into troubled waters as we just could not go on piling on more and more debt we were not as aware the US were doing the same and they would be the tip that sends the UK crashing.
62

Number 6,

Germany 25/11/2008 15:51:08
#64 I can hear his spittle from his slack jaw dripping on to his computer table from here.
63

Richard Lionheart,

25/11/2008 16:11:59
Gordon “Mugabe” Brown has now taken his plans for redistribution of wealth to redistribution of debt.

Perhaps Mr Mbeke should be paying a visit to Downing Street?
64

Keith Lagden,

25/11/2008 17:01:55
Darling couldn't take the country anywhere, except to the toilet for a flushing
65

Sile,

25/11/2008 17:52:30
Tommy Kaye 4# hahaha so as you cannot blame the worst govt of all time as the mainplayers are scots you choose to snipe at a poster by asking him if his 1st language is English? what a saddo I have to assume you speak gaelic then or is it English with a scots accent,
I have no time for what rufus had to say but your post is pathetic..
66

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

leven England 25/11/2008 18:17:14
Please,Please,pretty please take Gordon and Alistair back to their wee homes in Bonnie Scotland

 

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