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Boyd's retiral reflects a monumental delusion



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Published Date: 14 October 2008
FROM whatever angle it is approached, it is difficult to view Kris Boyd's decision to withdraw from international football as anything other than an exercise in monumental self-delusion.
Implicit in the Rangers striker's disdain for George Burley is not only a heightened, extremely dubious sense of his own worth, but the twin assumptions that he will have the support of the country's fans and the opportunity to re-enter the arena when the present Scotland manager's tenure is at an end.

Boyd's hyper-sensitivity to non-selection suggests a conceit that may have been at least partly swollen by his paying too much attention to the clamour for his inclusion in the Scotland team by certain sections of the public and the media. But he should surely have been disabused of that notion by his experiences at his own club. Even at Ibrox, he is what may be called an occasional series, with a considerable time lapse between each instalment.

Indeed, it is Walter Smith's mute declaration of his distrust of Boyd as a regular first- team choice that makes the player's behaviour towards Burley the more insulting.

He is saying it is all right for his club manager not to pick him, but unforgivable of the national team manager to follow suit. It amounts, in effect, to an insistence that Burley be sacked before he will reconsider wearing the dark blue shirt, monstrous conduct by any player.

If Boyd is acting on principle, as opposed to petulance inspired by a failure to see himself as his managers see him, why not extend it to walking out on Smith and Rangers? Well, that would mean breach of contract, no job and no wages, enough to send even the boldest and strongest of principles scurrying back into the undergrowth.

Boyd's misjudgment of his action and its probable consequences betrays a staggering (but unsurprising) lack of proper thought and insight into the demands – simple but unwavering – made of those who represent their country by the majority of Scotland supporters.

On Saturday afternoon, as the Scots struggled towards their scoreless draw with Norway, Boyd, rightly or wrongly, was widely perceived as a maltreated hero, his status rising in tandem with the groundswell of opprobrium which was growing around Burley.

Within 24 hours, when first reports appeared of his intention to quit, the great bulk of those members of the Tartan Army who had acclaimed him would be falling over themselves to subscribe to his court martial, the charge desertion, the verdict guilty, the sentence a dishonourable discharge.

Evidence of this collective disillusionment and instant condemnation was to be seen as early as yesterday morning in sports section of The Scotsman, where a spokesman for the West of Scotland Tartan Army (perhaps significantly, the region where Rangers reside) assured readers that he and his fellows are interested only in players who want to play for Scotland and that Boyd had already been found guilty of unacceptable disloyalty. He ended with the damning: "Boyd is yesterday's man. We move on".

Burley clearly responded similarly to the intimation from the player of his intention to quit and it will be something of a shock if the Scottish Football Association does not follow up later in the week with a curt "Resignation Accepted" and, of more importance, a promise that neither Boyd nor any other player will be allowed to pick and choose when – and under which manager – he deigns to pull on the jersey.

To claim that David Weir established a precedent when he walked out on Berti Vogts in 2002 and returned under Walter Smith three years later is not to compare like with like. The veteran defender, then with Everton, was, in essence, slandered in public by Vogts, who held him responsible for the 2-2 draw with the Faroe Islands in Toftir – a much more ignominious result than 0-0 with Norway – when that disgrace had clearly been the result of a team effort. Weir's case for his withdrawal of labour was immeasurably more arguable than simply not being picked.

Boyd's huffiness may also be regarded as offensive to many of his former international colleagues. Every time Burley, or any other Scotland manager, announces a 25-man squad, at least 10, but more likely 12, of the nominees will be resigned to the certainty that they will not start the forthcoming match, beginning with two of the three goalkeepers, Allan McGregor and David Marshall.

Were all of them to adopt Boyd's pathetic attitude, the national team, at the age of 136, would have to be retired.

A game-by-game guide to the striker's international career

KRIS Boyd has made 15 appearances for Scotland, scoring seven goals. His supporters point out that those 15 appearances include only six starts, while his critics highlight the quality of the opposition he scores against.

Here we look at his game- by-game record for Scotland.

• Bulgaria 1 Scotland 5 11 May 2006

Boyd made his debut as part of a raft of new players blooded by Walter Smith at the Kirin Cup in Japan. He played from the start against Bulgaria, scoring twice before the interval. Boyd was replaced five minutes after the break by James McFadden.

• Japan 0 Scotland 0 13 May 2006

Boyd started on the bench in the second game of the series against the host nation. He replaced McFadden in the 59th minute in the draw, which saw Scotland lift the trophy.

• Scotland 6 Faroe Islands 0 2 September 2006

Fielded from the start as part of a three-pronged strikeforce with McFadden and Kenny Miller at Celtic Park. Boyd played the full 90 minutes and hit with two goals inside the first 38 minutes.

• Lithuania 1 Scotland 2 6 September 2006

Started on the bench but introduced three minutes before the interval. Did not get on the scoresheet as Christian Dailly and Miller scored.

• Scotland 1 France 0 7 October 2006 Unused sub.

Ukraine 2 Scotland 0 11 October 2006

Introduced in the 73rd minute for McFadden but unable to change the course of the game.

• Scotland 2 Georgia 1 24 March 2007

Sets the ball rolling on the Alex McLeish era with a headed goal after ten minutes. Strikes the crossbar in the second half but is withdrawn 14 minutes from time in favour of Craig Beattie, who scores a late winner.

• Italy 2 Scotland 0 28 March 2007

Left on the bench for the game against the world champions in Bari as McLeish focuses on containment. Comes on in the 80th minute for Lee McCulloch.

• Austria 0 Scotland 1 30 May 2007

Plays full 90 minutes in an impressive display in which he sets up O'Connor for the only goal of the game in Vienna.

• Faroe Islands 0 Scotland 2 6 June 2007

On from the start but Garry O'Connor and Shaun Maloney score before Boyd makes way for Steven Naismith's debut eight minutes from time.

• Scotland 1 South Africa 0 22 August 2007

Sits on the bench at Pittodrie until the 68th minute when he replaces Miller. McLeish is rewarded three minutes later when Boyd scores the only goal of the friendly after connecting with a Darren Fletcher chip.

• Scotland 3 Lithuania 1 8 September 2007

Opens the scoring after 30 minutes before playing the whole game at Hampden.

• France 0 Scotland 1 12 September 2007 Unused sub.

• Georgia 2 Scotland 0 17 October 2007

Introduced for midfielder Stephen Pearson but unable to prevent costly defeat in Tbilisi as McLeish's tactics backfire.

• Scotland 1 Italy 2 17 November 2007

Brought on for McCulloch in injury time seconds after Italy score their winning goal.

• Scotland 1 Croatia 1 26 March 2008

Comes on for Maloney in the 72nd minute at Hampden during George Burley's first game in charge of the national side. Boyd is the only Rangers player in the squad after a number of withdrawals ahead of the Old Firm derby.

• Scotland 0 Northern Ireland 0 20 August 2008 Unused sub.

• Macedonia 1 Scotland 0 6 September 2008

Forced to wait until the 80th minute before being brought on as a substitute for Maloney in a defeat in Skopje.

• Iceland 1 Scotland 2 10 September 2008 Unused sub.

• Scotland 0 Norway 0 11 October 2008

Remains on the bench for the whole game, with Burley opting for the double introduction of Steven Fletcher and Chris Iwelumo – who misses an open goal – in the second half.

Starts: 6
Substitute appearances: 9
Goals: 7

The full article contains 1421 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 13 October 2008 11:48 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scotland's football team
 
1

jerrymanders,

DOH 14/10/2008 00:11:02
Boyd's retiral reflects a monumental delusion

Great headline coupled with that picture of Boydchenko and his hand patting his head. They say that every picture speaks a thousand words.......pity the subject cannot, or think them either.
2

Novafone,

14/10/2008 00:16:18
A great article Glenn and I'm proud of the Scotsman for taking this stance.

I never want to see Kris Boyd in the dark blue ever again.
3

Teary Ennui,

14/10/2008 00:20:42
Colourful stuff from Mr Gibbons. But let's be a bit more sober and realistic. Is it really a "delusion" - let alone a "monumental" one - for Boyd to believe he's worth a place in this Scotland team, to believe he should at least have been brought on ahead of a guy with one cap and a guy with no caps (who then missed an appalling sitter)?

George Burley has made it clear in his selections that he thinks he can do without Boyd. That's his choice, of course. It's not going that well so far though....
4

Tom More,

Canada 14/10/2008 00:26:14
My sympathy is totally with Boyd. Six goals in seven international starts and he doesn't even make it on as a sub. Then Burley runs to the media and publicly demeans Boyd, making the startling revelation that because Walter Smith won't play Boyd regularly, this somehow means he's not ready to play for Scotland. Did he tell Boyd this to his face when he selected him, or does he do all his explanations through the media? This is no way for a manager to behave. Poor Boyd, a talented goalscorer, is inexplicably made to warm the bench for Rangers every week, which must cause him to burn inside. Then Burley uses this as the reason for not selecting him, rubbing salt into the wound. A manager must show leadership, which means displaying some sensitivity and understanding of players' emotions. On these grounds, Burley has failed miserably. The affair in somewhat reminiscent of Strachan's treatment of another natural goalscorer, Derek Riordan.

5

the beast,

London 14/10/2008 00:31:41
As I have said before the man should be done for Treason, in any other country he would be hung drawn and squirted all over his tiny brain of which he came, mind your big cyclops eye and your budgie eye mirror!!
6

jerrymanders,

14/10/2008 00:46:44
#4

A somewhat myopic slant at that.
7

Harlem Tam,

14/10/2008 00:47:08
I can absolutely guarantee that if it had been Paul Hartley who announced that he did not want to be selected in future under Burley, the likes of Terry Ennui and Tom More would be castigating him to the hilt and calling Burley a hero for speaking out.
8

I.J,

The Diggers 14/10/2008 00:48:49
Very good article.

Boyd's bridges have been burned.

I hope never to see him near my beloved country's colours again.
9

I.J,

The Diggers 14/10/2008 00:50:42
p.s #4 - I've never read so much utter p1sh in all my life.

And I've read hibs.net
10

Teary Ennui,

14/10/2008 00:52:51
"I can absolutely guarantee that if it had been Paul Hartley who announced that he did not want to be selected in future under Burley, the likes of Terry Ennui and Tom More would be castigating him to the hilt and calling Burley a hero for speaking out." (#7)

No, I would be cheering. ;0)

I'm just calling it as I see it. If you actually disagree with any point I've made, feel free to take it up....
11

Doubly-negative,

14/10/2008 01:04:09
I'd like to congratulate the Hootsman on the perfect journalistis reposnse to this story. I f we never see that numptie in dark blue again it'll be too soon. I would dearly love to play for my country (but never will, as I've got two left feet), and it makes me ashamed that guys like Boyd have this privilege and then throw it away.
12

Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, we don't care 14/10/2008 01:06:09
The irony is that bigotland has been let done by their own.

Old Wally...a traitor
Fat ally...a traitor
Big Eck...a traitor
Fat Boydy...a traitor
McCulloch...a traitor
The wee ned...an injury feigning traitor

You couldnae make it up




13

jerrymanders,

14/10/2008 01:06:38
#9

Ditto!
14

biggy shackleton,

TASMANIA 14/10/2008 03:40:43
Boyd went from one Scottish club to another donating 40,000 of his signing on fee to his previous club in the process. He then goes on to score six goals out of seven apprearances for the national team.

I think he's doing his bit for Scotland and should've been given the chance to do more against Norway.
15

Donner,

austin 14/10/2008 04:00:20
If Boyd was such a poor player and contributed nothing to his country or club, what is all the fuss about? Why the column inches? Why the long threads being created for 2 days? Is it to take minds off the Scottish banking crisis? Makes you wonder.
16

Keith Mac,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 04:43:22
On ability alone Boyd should have played against Norway, no doubt about that. He also should have played in many previous Rangers games, but didn't. Clearly there is something amiss with his approach to playing which alienates his Managers. You can see in his manner on the park that he has a very, very big "tip" for himself. Bye, bye Boyd - all the skill and ability in the world is of no use at all without the right attitude to go along with it. Maybe Riordon will get a look now.
17

DunCraig,

Brisbane 14/10/2008 05:15:42
If Boyd can't even get a regular start at Ibrox why should he expect to get one for Scotland? A bit silly of Burley picking him in the first place. If he's not going to get a run, don't pick him. Now he shown himself to be a spoilt little brat!
18

TangerineDreamer,

OF free Zone 14/10/2008 06:24:42
Why all the posts about Boyd thinks this, Boyd thinks that? It's irrelvant, he's not the one with the reponsibility for picking the team. If Scotland fail to make the top 2 then Burley will be judged and removed.

Can you imagine guys like Joe Jordan snivelling into his handkerchief and taking his bat and ball and going home? Boyd, what a sad excuse for a Scotsman.
19

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 14/10/2008 06:49:34
One thing that puzzles me about this WHOLE affair.... and perhaps those on this thread that are so quick to condemn Kris Boyd can give me the answer !!

The media (or vast majority of those commenting on this affair) and a load of punters posting on this thread, and similar threads on other sites, have cast Boyd as the villain of the piece, calling him everything from a "traitor" to "dillusional".

The media seem intent on casting Kris Boyd as the villain but none of them have either the b@lls or gumption to ask George Burley WHY, if Kris Boyd has not had enough game time to be given the opportunity to play against Norway, was he in the squad in the first place for ??
There were other strikers in the squad who have had more game time than he has this season but they didn't get a place on the bench. Why ?

IF George Burley never intended to play him WHY
even give him a place on the bench ??
20

Richardinho,

14/10/2008 07:15:36
#19 There are 25 players in a squad. Only 14 at most can play. The reason for having a squad is to give the manager tactical options, and to provide cover for injuries. It also allows players to get involved with the Scotland set up and get experience for future games even if they are unlikely to play. It's really quite simple, and not the mystery you are trying to make out.
And I don't see the other 10 players who didn't play walking out on Scotland.
21

Colin P,

14/10/2008 07:16:24
12

but apparently you do.
22

Ross,

Athens 14/10/2008 07:32:35
I am sorry but Burley is right. If Boyd is so much up his own you know what and walks out on Scotland in this way then he does not deserve to play. I don't want him. We should stop talking about him now and i bet he feels pretty silly right now, probably regrets it, you never know what could have happened, maybe he would have played a big part in the next games and scored some goals.
Anyway this is all blown out of proportion. We are in second place with quite a few games left to play! I am afraid we are very much like our neighbours down south (media & people) in that we try to rip the team apart before the campaign is even over. I predict Scotland will make second spot and a play off.
23

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 14/10/2008 08:15:39
The manager picks the squad, decides who plays and who is on the bench. He then decides who he is going to bring on as a sub. Burley decided not to play Boyd and that is that. Boyd is clearly not happy but to come out with the statement he did is stirring it to say the least. If he had any pride for Scotland he would have just told Burley not to pick him in future and leave it at that. Now with his statement he has invoked a reaction from Burley, the media and the Scottish supporters and has split the country at a time when we should be concentrating on winning football matches. Only in Scotland eh!
24

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

14/10/2008 08:15:50
#22 I agree. We're becoming more and more like our neighbours to the south when it comes to the international team - arrogant and hyper-critical of the manager in a very over-the-top manner. I blame the Internet.
25

pf9,

Aberdeenshire 14/10/2008 08:41:47
Burley as manager of Scotland retains the privilege of selecting which players represent their country.
Boyd as a player retains the privilege of whether he chooses to play for the manager of his country.

Boyd's decision not to play for his manager merely deflected the criticism that Burley should have received due to the diabolical display from the players he had chosen to represent their country.

During yesterday's media interview Burley chose to use his brief discussion with Ferguson on Saturday, and his desire to play for Scotland, as a tool to embarrass Boyd. By using this selective knowledge Burley has merely stated that a player doesn't have the right to play for a manager. What utter tosh - it works both ways.

Personally I think Boyd has made a rod for his own back and his detractors from the east of Glasgow, whom by the way do not rate Boyd, are using his prerogative to beat him with. They seem to forget the old adage "people who live in glass houses etc".

26

The Equaliser,

14/10/2008 08:53:33
John Hartson's comments summed it up for me. He done exactly the same thing but kept quiet about it. I wish Boyd had done it that way.

For Burley to claim that Boyd didn't get a game because he doesn't start all games for Rangers is mad. Half his team on saturday were in the same position.

I now hope Boyd gets his head down and gets stuck in at Rangers he's better out of it.

As for Burley, the clock's ticking and I wonder what the reaction will be when it stops and the alarm starts.
27

Regulator,

West Kazakhstan 14/10/2008 08:53:59
Had we achieved a win, a draw and a loss against some of the football giants I would agree with deriding Boyds outburst. As it is we haven't covered ourselves in glory. Cover over the cracks in Burleys tactics and consentrate on Boyds petulance and of course we'll be in better shape to face The Netherlands????????
28

GERD MULLER,

EDINBURGH 14/10/2008 08:58:04
I'm astonished by the reaction of journalists and George Burley to Boyd's decision. Boyd is no Gerd Muller. However, if Gerd was playing for Rangers and Scotland today, he too would not get a regular game. All he did was score goals. Rangers and Scotland don't believe that a centre forward, who "just scores goals" is viable given the defensive tactics that they adopt. Boyd's frustration with Scotland is understandable (if childish) - even a second rate English guy gets a game before him. Burley's argument is that Boyd needs to play regularly for an incredibly defensive club team, which is never going to happen. Rangers and Scotland both prefer Miller's constant running and missing. Both managers should be honest enough to admit that Boyd's abilities can't be accommodated because of the deficiencies of his team mates.
29

Who?,

14/10/2008 09:02:56
If you want to do anything in international football in these times you need strikers who are not 1 dimentional- which boyd is. He refuses to train properly, eat properly, act in a professional manner yet expects that everybody will fall over themselves to accomidate him.

Boyd is no loss as he was only in the squad because he's a rangers player. If he didn't play for rangers he would be nowhere near the squad- just like basketball barry ferguson.
30

Me, myself and I,

Livingston 14/10/2008 09:04:58
Of the candidates who were up for the job of Scotland manager at the time Burley was my preference but as yet he has failed to set the heather on fire.

We were promised attacking football but I have seen little of that in evidence and very little conviction from the players.

As for Boyd? None of his managers have been convinced about him. Smith, McLeish or Burley. They cant all be persecuting him.

Still gets the ball in the back of the net though unlike the other Scotland strikers on saturday.
31

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

14/10/2008 09:10:29
#25 "Burley as manager of Scotland retains the privilege of selecting which players represent their country.Boyd as a player retains the privilege of whether he chooses to play for the manager of his country."

My boss has the right to ask me to come to work tomorrow. I do have the right to choose not to work for my boss that but will not have a job the day after. Burley is in charge, Boyd is not, ergo Boyd does not have a job with Scotland anymore.

#28 "even a second rate English guy gets a game before him" I take it you mean Iwelemo, who is actually a Scot from Coatbridge.


32

The Equaliser,

14/10/2008 09:28:09
29

How the efff do you know so much about Boyd that you can comment on his diet etc.
As for your guff about Boyd and Ferguson only being in the squad because they are Rangers players demonstrates your lack of understanding on the basics of football.
I will remind you of Boyds excellent scoring record for Kilmarnock,Rangers and Scotland.
As for Ferguson it is no coincedence that Scotland have suffered without BF in the team as clearly we are lacking leadership, drive, composure and experience at the moment. Fletcher for one is lost without Ferguson beside him and it was clear for all to see on Saturday that we didn't have a leader on the park.
33

canamalar,

14/10/2008 09:30:04
After boyd the traitor walks out, barry ferguson then attempts to further undermine the manager by condeming the managers choice of captain and backing boyd's action, are they now trying to chose the scotland manager after their success at chosing the rangers manager. If ferguson does not apologise to the manager he should also lose his place.
34

aljok.23,

the world 14/10/2008 09:34:55
R Gough , D Ferguson, A Goram , L McCulloch and now E Boyd. Is there a pattern here? Not to mention W Smith and an A McLeish.
35

Jurgen Harbourmaster,

14/10/2008 09:40:26
Anyone read the metro this morning. Theres a picture of Boyd in training. He's standing there yawning, while looking like a big fat booze-hound!
36

jumpship,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 09:41:15
14 biggy shackleton :

At the end of the day . The Scotland manager didn't pick him . Thats his job. Right or wrong NO player should turn his back on Scotland .

Boyd should never play for Scotland again.

He's a egotistic moron.

Boyd and any other traitor who doesn't want to play for Scotland .... GTF
37

aljok.23,

the world 14/10/2008 09:42:56
Don’t Glasgow Rangers supporters, by their association with the Union Flag at least, have a huge chip on their shoulder about Scotland getting too big for their boots by swaying towards independence from Engerland and feel they need to bring Scotland down ? Don’t Glasgow Celtic supporters have more affiliation with splitting from England because of the Irish history associated with the club?
I only ask because it seems that way.
38

Indigo Nightlight,

14/10/2008 09:43:34
#28.

Muller scored against everyone. Great teams, poor teams, made no odds. How many goals does Boyd have against quality opposition in his career? never scored against the OF whilst at Killie I believe. Doesn't get goals for Rangers against Celtic. Doesn't get a game in the CL. No goals in Rangers run to the Uefa Cup final. only two important goals for Scotland, both against mediocr opposition. the other 5 in Friendlies or against the Faeroes.

Left on the bench time after time when Rangers or Scotland play big games, beacuse his fat belly and lack of movement make him a passenger against good defenders.
39

Who?,

14/10/2008 09:47:53
#32- you're talking out of your wind crack!

1. I will remind you of Boyds excellent scoring record for Kilmarnock,Rangers and Scotland- What????

When was the last time boyd played in an OF game? When was the last time he started in europe? (CL or uefa cup) He has only scored 3 goals against rangers while playing for killie and 1 against celtic while at rangers.

2. As for basketball barry he is no longer capable of playing at a decent level. In the uefa cup it was Davis and Thomson who ran the midfield, basketball sat just in front of the defenders looking out of his depth. He scored agaist italy at hampden from an offside position as he was too slow to get back onside.
40

Bemused Arab,

14/10/2008 09:56:51
#28 - Chris Iwelumo is not English, unless Coatbridge is now in England.
41

Bemused Arab,

14/10/2008 09:57:04
#28 - Chris Iwelumo is not English, unless Coatbridge is now in England.
42

Bemused Arab,

14/10/2008 09:57:39
I said it twice to make it sure it got through... er...
43

aljok.23,

the world 14/10/2008 10:01:18
Will not turning up for an event because you couldn’t care less about it be called a Boydy?? Or will it just be called “ Doing A Rangers” ?
44

AJ Fife,

14/10/2008 10:04:57
Boyd will be known as a sneak for the rest of his like and he will be hounded, wherever he goes, by true and honest Scotsmen.

He's ruined his life and he'd be well advised to move to the Bell Rock Lighthouse for the peace he will desire in his twilight years!

Of course, if he was to turn around and tell the world that David Murray and Smith made him do it, we'd have to embrace the poor lad and tell him there's a better way to live your life, than the 'Rangers way'!
45

Regulator,

Western Kazakhstan 14/10/2008 10:06:17
# 37 If you knew you're history, which you obviously don't; The Union Flag contains the colours of Scotland, the Tricolour on the other hand, or should that be foot, which the Celtic supports kowtow to is the flag of the Republic of Ireland which does not contain a county or region or state by the name of Scotland.
46

The Equaliser,

14/10/2008 10:16:11
39 Who

You are the proverbial windcrack

"1. I will remind you of Boyds excellent scoring record for Kilmarnock,Rangers and Scotland- What????" He has an undeniably high scoring record never mind who against. He has put the ball in the net more than the rest put together.

"2. As for basketball barry he is no longer capable of playing at a decent level. In the uefa cup it was Davis and Thomson who ran the midfield, basketball sat just in front of the defenders looking out of his depth. He scored agaist italy at hampden from an offside position as he was too slow to get back onside." In the UEFA cup final and most of the last third of the season he was playing with a damaged ankle which he has since paid the price for. As for his goal against Italy he was quick enough to get into the scoring position and knock it in.

Your bitterness towards all things Rangers is disappointing when we are discussing a national team issue. Obviously your spite extends beyond that.

47

Who?,

14/10/2008 10:28:32
#46- i don't give a damm either way about rangers- however my inlaws have season tickets which means i get to hear about it first hand! Basketball will be fine in the GPL for the next 3 years but he no longer has the capability to play international or CL football. His injuries, age and lack of brain are conspiring against him. Better players than he (shearer, scholes etc) have retired at 29 so that they get a few more years out of their club careers which is what the basketball cheat should do.

So it doesn't matter that boyd can't be trusted at european or international level (against decent opposition anyway) nor that he refused to act like a professional athlete in diet or training. The fact is that he has scored goals against poor team so he should play for scotland? Peter Weatherston scored 40 goals in the second division a few years back does that mean that he should play for scotland?

If it wasn't a rangers player involved then you would have a different view on this. Most rangers fans (the ones who actually go to games) don't rate Boyd that highly and don't see how ferguson will get back in the first team. But then again you must know best by not actually going to games.
48

aljok.23,

the world 14/10/2008 10:39:50
#45 Can you smell fish? I can smell fish.
49

canamalar,

14/10/2008 10:56:27
# 45, and that gives you and your ilk the right to shame Scotland with impunity? Oh and I dont see the red hand on the union jack.
50

Steve Scotland,

14/10/2008 11:02:10

BERTI BURLEY OUT! BOYD IN!
51

Regulator,

In the Caspian Now 14/10/2008 11:10:53
canamalar; The Red Hand symbol is used by many associations, clubs and government departments in Northern Ireland, i.e. Catholic, Protestant, you name it, they can use it, it is a non-denominational symbol.

So my question caller is, how am I shaming Scotland?
What is wrong with the Red hand?
52

Cheezy,

EK 14/10/2008 11:17:31
well we're all simply missing the fact that boyd is the best goalscorer in scotland. without a doubt. we needed a goal on saturday and got Peter van Vossens long lost cousin. that being Burleys fault without a doubt. K Boyd would have finished that with his eyes closed and we would have got the 3 points that are required. but now after 1 win, 1 draw, and 1 defeat we're seeing the same old story bearing out. no South Africa 2010 basically because George Burley who has to be seen as someone with "limited abilities" is allowed to steer the tartan army ship. unfortunetly the tartan army ship is far to big for him and he may be wishin he stayed steering the southampton ship. (which if i remember correctly had just hit the rocks, conveniently round about the time he got the job.) Strange.

Can anyone who is so anti boyd on this thread name an adequete replacement for him????.............na didnt think so!!
53

&Larrsonfixestheradio,

14/10/2008 11:17:36
Scotland have ABSOLUTELY no chance for qualifying for a major tournament if we are still talking about this non entity of a footballers decision to retire. Two days afterwards.

Watty, Eck, PLG, Burley all have came to the same conclusion regarding Boyd over the years. I mean its not as if he has improved recently.He seems further away from a starting berth at Rangers than he ever was. How many strikers did Watty buy this summer ?

Yet it is interesting to note that only PLG & Burley get castigated over their decision not to play Boyd.

Boyd featured in NO big games for Eck and Watty.Nobody gave two tuppeny sucks about Boyds non appearance until he got stroppy. Boyd like Mc Culloch believe that they are good enough to be guaranteed a place in the national setup.

Barry Ferguson will first have to prove that he is a better player than he was last season. As last season he was less than ordinary. He needs to improve if he wants selected for the Scotland squad. He needs to improve a lot if he wants selected for the first team. He should not be allowed to continue with the captaincy. He has been captain long enough and to be frank he´s not any better playing for Scotland than he is for Rangers. What have we achieved under his captaincy ?

George Burley should wield the axe and keep Darren Fletcher as captain. The worryingly homoerotic bluenose club needs disbandoned. They have proven that they will undermine anyone who doesn´t think like they do and unless you have had a major road accident that´s a tall order.
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buggsy,

Kilmarnock 14/10/2008 11:19:20
Boyd was humiliated on Saturday by Corporal Burley would you want to work for a boss who did so publicly......I think the majority of people would do what boyd did.
Boyd scores goals nothing else he has done it at every level of football he has ever played at... that is a fact.
If you want someone to run around chasing shadows for ninety minutes then fine but that doesn't win games goals do.
The sooner Burley goes the better he is totally out of his depth maybe The Ayr board knew best when they sacked him
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Ross,

Athens 14/10/2008 11:30:13
None of us know exactly what goes on in training and no player should be in on reputation alone.
Maybe Boyd was being a bit arrogent in training and assumed he would play this time. Maybe the other strikers were fighting in training and that is why they played in the game.
Point being it is easy for us to sit here and criticise Burley but the truth is we don't know anything that is going on apart from what these poor papers we read are telling us.
So please
Forget Boyd, give Burley a chance.
Had Chris I scored that goal he would be a hero and we would be in a strong position and everybody would say Burley is great. So please get a grip!
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 14/10/2008 11:33:10
its not difficult to pick the celtic supporters comments on this thread
pity that sectarianism colours so many people view in scotland
the international manager in a crucial game puts on two players with one cap and no international goals between them, i think that any battle seasoned forward would be insulted by that, its little wonder that boyd wont play for bertie burley again, i dont think any decent forward would
burley apparently commented that boyd didnt play because he wasnt a regular at rangers, why was he picked then if that fact meant he wouldnt play?
get rid of the problem get rid of burley
57

jockie,

scotland 14/10/2008 11:35:17
Boyd has shown himself a diddy , but it isnt it nice not to be reading about Romanov!!!!!
58

WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 11:35:45
Novafone, yar just a multi ID Tim. End of story. How many names r u using? My ten year old does what U r doing. \We all see through it Plastic Paddy.

Burley has humiliated BROADWOOD as well as Boyd.

Scotland are OUT of the cup. WE must remember who put us out. NOT Boyd. BURLEY is the manager and he is simply attempting to deflect attention away from himself.

BURLEY yar a disgrace and embarassment and will soon be sacked.

Novafone (multi id Timmy) does not mention the RESULTS we have had under Burley. WHY not?

Anyway, Novatimmy what was the last old firm score at Parkhead?

Readers, read the above posts. UMPTEEN are written in the EXACT same way. The grammar and english and tone are the same.

ITS one person writing the same tripe - a TIM.
He is probably sitting pulling his funny bits whilst doing it.

YES... they always deny it AND blame the other person. Thats just what trawls DO.

Well done Boydy.

ALL Novotimmy wants to do is run down Boydy and Rangers. We ALL see through it.

WHY do such pathetic characters do such things? Sittin at the computer all day writing the same shoite under different names. LOOK at the style of writing above in the anti-Boyd/Rangers posts.

Do they think they can brain wash us? Beyond belief. It really is. Only a junky or dope head would think that was possible - either that or someone on tablets for depression or something. Lots of patheric people out there eh?

So what does he say now reader? Yes an ad hominem attack - always the same. They THINK people do not see through the multi id shoite.





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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 11:36:46
No great loss, and typical of the attitude which Rangers and their fans seem to have for their country.
It's not difficult to see why they are called Scotlands shame.
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 11:37:01
James, ITS NOT Celtic supporters.

Its ONE celtic supporter with many names. READ the stuff.

Its ONE person. The writing/tone is the exact same. Mt ten year old could see that.
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canamalar,

14/10/2008 11:40:35
Regulator,
with your support for a player over the country, because of the team he plays for.
The original question #37 was about how from the outside the Celtic support appeared more patriotic Scots in wanting independence, whereas the Rangers support are staunchly unionist, Irish/Brittish debate we both know the Celtic support has a vast majority of Scottish supportes.
Nothing wrong with the red hand, but where in ulster is Glasgow. The same argument you use to dismiss the tricolour can be used against the red hand.
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&Larrsonfixestheradio,

14/10/2008 11:46:33
The red hand salute is merely a symbol which fans embarrassingly hid behind to condone the support of Neo-Nazis within Britain’s shore. It's first appearance at Ibrox in the 80's, coinciding with the introduction of the extreme right wing "Chelsea boot boys'" unofficial friendship with Rangers.
Terry Last, a soccer hooligan and a leading figure of both the head-hunters and the National Front, also played a role in the rise of this disgusting symbol and dragged England's national support to an all time low when he was pictured displaying the salute whilst "on tour" with England not long before his arrest and imprisonment in connection with his hooligan activities.
Following his trial Last was labelled "Little Hitler of the Soccer Thugs" by the English media. All Rangers fans that make this salute insult Ulster - Robert Saulters
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 11:48:32
James, yar right. Such multi ID trash bags are absolut bigots. That is what they are doing - trying to cretae more bigotry.

They are trying to get people to hate each other.

Its people like that who create injuries in A and E departments. Do u know what I mean. They goad others towars violence.

Its probably the middle class retired teacher sort who is doing it on here.

People like that are absolute DUNG - just manure.

They attempt propaganda that creates hatred and violence. They really are absolute manure. Think about that reader.

WHAT type person sits in the house at its computer doing that all day?

AYE the same PERSON who spews out anti-English bigotry on these forums whilst claiming to be a nationalist (multi id again). People like that are VOMIT inducing - they really r.

I bet their daughter and so on do not know what they are doing.

The
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canamalar,

14/10/2008 11:50:13
WeeBerty,
your missing a fundamental component for the brainwashing charge.
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 11:51:42
Larrsonfixestheradio, more bil in the above post eh?

WHAT has ur last post to do with football?

The salute u talk about is also done in many English parks. It symbolize Britannia.

Are u on proscribed drugs? YAR a ******* trash bag.

Ulster is in the UK. Eire is not. The same argument CANNOT be used. ULSTER is pasrt of my country EIRE is not.

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We love fitba,

google! 14/10/2008 11:51:59
#58 Who's Broadwood?

Entirely predictable taking sides here... why are you Rangers fans so boring? Is their no issue on which you might express an independent opinion?

I have a theory that Iwelumo was brought in to show Boyd and others how to conduct themselves in a professional manner - it's clear that many Scottish players are hardly athletes. Instead Boyd showed nothing in training and Burley decides he can't trust him.

For that matter, neither does Watty.
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 11:54:40
As for Nazis, we fought them and beat them. EIRE did not fight them.

Is that correct?

Ever heard of the Yellow convoys where Catholics from Ulster went across the border when war was dclared. SO they would not have to fight.

Will u be mentioning peado priests and Monks next? And the fact the RC CHurch hid them and alowed them to abuse more weans? That is FACT not bigotry.

Will u be mentioning the abuse that went on at Celtic Boys Club and Big Jock KNEW?
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 11:56:45
Scotlands shame?

Aye what went on at Celtic Boys Club - the abuse of children - really was that.

AND what went on in the RC Church was also Scotlands shame. Monks and Priests and NUNS abused children and the RC Church HID it. AND allowed them to abuse more by so doing. Yes, Scotlands shame indeed.

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canamalar,

14/10/2008 11:57:19
WeeBerti,
not for long.
You have won the golden toilet roll, you have drivelled more excrement than all your brothers put together, now wipe your mouth, and take your bigot drivel back to follow follow, leave the coherant discussions to people who can debate without blameing it all on the Irish.
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Steinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn goal!!,

14/10/2008 11:57:38
wHETHER Boyd was right or wrong in his decision is something that will never be known, however if he wasnt getting a game at any time saturday when was he?

As for Burley I ght he would be a very good scot manager....how wrong his teams and tactics are mince.

As for his interview what a load of dia "they stay in 5 star hotels" that is his fault, he is the manager and apparently as he said earlier all of the decsions are his and not made by committeee, he came out like a wee half shot drunk with a bad mouth, sneaky and has made me realise just what he is, very disappointing.
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 11:58:22
WeeBerty,
your missing a fundamental component for the brainwashing charge.

There u go - as I said - the usual ad hominem tripe. THEY really are that predictable.
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 12:00:04
These predictably multi id trash pots dont seem to grasp that given what they say - and their responses - NOBODY will ever listen to them.

Its OBVIOUS what they ARE.
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Molz,

porty 14/10/2008 12:00:52
If he said the same at Rangers he would be straight oot the door, sio same with Scotland. He's had it now. A guy who's never a great team player, a bit of a puddin' really, but he certainly knows where the goal is. Easy to get a good goal rate at Ibrox it may be said, but this has been proved at Kilmarnock.

I think Boyd might be feeling very stupid soon. He could well be out of Ibrox quite soon, and with his work rate,suspect fitness and lack of class I think an average Championship team might be his limit. Being with Scotland would be the only thing keeping his career interesting.

He would find it difficult to play with any other Scottish club, and will meet derision wherever he plays.

And not all Rangers fans are impressed by his attitude.
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 12:01:00
Call it intuition if you like,but for some strange reason I get the feeling that Wee Berty is not all that bright.
He need not feel alone though,because most bigots fall into that category.
Anyway a good article,and I endorse it wholeheartedly.
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canamalar,

14/10/2008 12:02:09
WeeBerti #71,
I notice you dont deny it :oD is your fascist diatribe representitive of your fellow supporters ?
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 12:02:21
Burleys interview was bizzare.

He even tried to use nationalism against Boyd AND deflect attention away from his own RIDICULOUS failings.
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 12:04:47
WeeBerti,
not for long.
You have won the golden toilet roll, you have drivelled more excrement than all your brothers put together, now wipe your mouth, and take your bigot drivel , leave the coherant discussions to people who can debate without blameing it all on the Irish.

End of quote

I can only understand suchtext as coming from someone with mental health problems.

I quote

back to follow follow?

End of quote

Dope head? Proscribed drugs? Only someone like that would do what this character is doing.



I do not even know what that MEANS.
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canamalar,

14/10/2008 12:06:43
WeeBerti#77,
surprise surprise eh
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 12:07:22
The "captain" says

Call it intuition if you like,but for some strange reason I get the feeling that Wee Berty is not all that bright.
He need not feel alone though,because most bigots fall into that category.
Anyway a good article,and I endorse it wholeheartedly.

-------
ONE person many names - just the same stuff with a different name... beyond belief.

Of course by responding I KNOW I am encouraging the mongal.

Read Molz post - again the same person... a mongal.
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 12:09:41
WeeBerti #71,
I notice you dont deny it :oD is your fascist diatribe representitive of your fellow supporters ?

End quote?

You said in an earlier post that we were Nazis. Now we are fascists? Eh?

Celtic Boys Club and abuse of children - put that in your search box readers.

Look up "The Roman Catholic Church and Fascism". Put that in your search box readers.


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I seen a UFO,

14/10/2008 12:10:54
Boyd could have taken the other option -

Buckle down, train properly, get himself fit, score goals in the Rangers reserve team, get picked for Rangers and then make himself a national hero.

Instead he will continue his lazy attitude to football, eat and drink a load of junk, and end up playing for Airdrie.

He will also have to get used to getting the 'McGeady' treatment whenever he does play away from Ibrox.
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Regulator,

Sinking 14/10/2008 12:13:07
canamalar;

I have no problem dismissing both Red Hand and Tricolor and the sooner the better, however it has been tried for many years and probably never will happen. That said, Rangers have a support that travells from NI as have Celtic and they both bring their baggage with them.
I'm not supporting Boyd over my country or Burley. I have said his decision was petulant, however Burley is not getting the performances either Smith or McLeish got. He does not have a rapport with the media and Scotland are dropping down the rankings. I would love things to turn round in the next 6 months and we get a result against Holland, however it does not look like it's going to happen. If it doesn't happen then we'll be farther down the rankings and have another 2 seeds to cope with in the next Euro Championship qualifying group. When a new manager is appointed the question of whether or not Boyd gets back into the fold it up to him. If we hang onto Burley as long as we hung onto Vogts, then Boyd will be past it and no decision to make.
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marko87,

Dundee 14/10/2008 12:18:50
Mr Boyd can forget about ever playing for Scotland again. Who of the prospective replacements will ever give him a look-in? Souness, despite the blue-nose connection, does not suffer fools easily. Strachan has shown at Celtic that he is happy to leave out players that he feels lack commitment/dicipline (see Derek Riordan). MacGee and Moyes are no less stringent diciplinarians and Boyd can forget about a call-up from either of them. Ironically a public U-turn and apology to Burley may be his best option if he is serious about playing for Scotland again!

He has done Burley a favour by diverting attention from his manager's baffling tactical decisions on Saturday!
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aljok.23,

the world 14/10/2008 12:39:19
Maybe the Rangers players are actually being very stand-up guys by not playing for their country . They could be so ashamed of their supporters that they don’t want to tarnish their beloved national football team with the same brush as their club has been tarnished. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and encourage David”I’m not going unless you play me”Weir, and Mr Broadfoot to look to their conscience too . A Rangers free national team would be a true national team.
Can you smell fish?
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WeeBerty,

14/10/2008 12:42:57
aljok.23,

The same stuff again.

A multi ID mongal.

Its time for the Soctsman to close the forums down - ALL of them.

FAR too much of what's written is BLATANT slander. The Scotsman is leaving itself wide open to a court cae.

I will email Rangers and others in a few minutes. Slander of this sort should not be allowed.

The moron on here who is doing it is bringing the forums down.