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Revitalised Hawks have one eye on a Super League



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Published Date: 28 August 2008
BORN to professionalism as an amalgam designed to take club rugby into a new era, Glasgow Hawks are bidding to re-launch their ambition a decade on.

The early promise drawn from Glasgow Accies and GHK in 1997 hit the buffers as the SRU progressed pro rugby in Scotland through district teams. They still became a potent force in the club game, distilling talent around Anniesland with some foreign
imports, and finished six of the past ten seasons with either the Scottish Cup or Division One championship, or, in 2004, both.



But after a recent slide, the club is stepping up a gear again with a raft of full-time, professional appointments and a new plan. Former player Kenny Baillie is the club's new chief executive, Peter Wright, a successful former coach, now the director of rugby and Grant Talbot the club's development officer.

Wright, who stepped down as Scotland Under-19 coach to take the Hawks job, explained the intention to help inspire Scottish clubs into a new, more vibrant era for the club game.

"Some clubs are happy simply to be parts of their community," he said, "which is fine, but some want to be stronger and play a bigger role in Scottish and cross-border rugby. Our vision at Hawks is to move towards the latter, where we have a 'Super League' at some point with eight-to-ten teams who fulfil strong criteria on their facilities and development of players.



"We wouldn't fulfil stringent criteria yet, but more and more people are talking about that and are enthusiastic about something in that direction so we want to be pushing to be ready when that comes along.

"Brian Simmers, who was a leading light in the formation of Hawks, put together a paper and he and Kenny (Baillie] met with the SRU in the summer, and whereas Brian said he has regularly had the door slammed in his face when he's tried to propose something a bit different for club rugby this time there was not quite a 'yes' or a 'no', but some encouraging interest.



"So we've decided to see if it can work. We want to improve the whole club environment, invest in people who are accountable to drive different parts of the club, challenge others and maybe look at cross-border games. If we become successful perhaps it could form a template for other clubs to join us and maybe the SRU will invest in it."



We have to get one thing clear here. Hawks made no secret of the fact they were paying players at the onset of the professional age, yet have insisted for years they no longer pay wages. Yet, Baillie, Wright and Talbot are indeed full-time which suggests that some of Glasgow's vast city funds are starting to find a way back into Anniesland. Are the opposition to prepare to face a super-club?

With the same explicit manner he displayed as a prop with Scotland and the British and Irish Lions, Wright insisted: "No way – it's very different this time to 1997.

"The ultimate aim is to be semi-professional at some point, but whether people believe it or not we don't pay players to play for Hawks. This season we've got a lot of very young lads – we'll start a 17-year-old lad against West at Burnbrae on Saturday for example – and I expect our plans to take at least 12-18 months to have any sort of effect.



"There was a lot of money paid out to players in 1997, but the players themselves sat down and decided that wasn't what they wanted – they wanted players to come to the club for reasons other than cash.





"We have a flat with four rooms in it in which there are four players; we have no car deals these days, but guys travelling get 20p per mile and that's it. I'm not naive enough to say it will never happen again, but right now we're going down a different route.



"Kenny, myself and Grant are paid and we have responsibilities, and if this three-year plan doesn't work we'll lose our jobs – surely that's better than spending money on players and having no accountability?



"There is good work going on at a lot of clubs, and we're not thinking just about Hawks, but what might help all ambitious clubs in Scotland."



He added: "We want guys to come and enjoy their rugby, the social side and the playing side, at Hawks, but we are serious about improving Scottish rugby and developing the new generation of players.

"I've been enjoying reading coaches in recent Scotsman articles talking of winning the league, rather than just surviving, because that suggests everyone is looking to be ambitious and I think that will make for some great rugby this season and, hopefully, a competition that goes right to the wire for a change."









The full article contains 830 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 August 2008 9:47 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

wee leeves,

28/08/2008 10:32:14
Seems to me like Peter Wright and Hawks have the rite idea. To have a 'super league' with the top 8/10 clubs run on a semi pro basis surely creates a stepping stone to fully pro rugby!!! Would there be enough clubs who could sustain semi pro to make it a viable option....Who knows......Maybe!!Maybe not!! At least some people are thinking about trying to develope club game from where it is at the moment!!
2

iain Dewar,

Glasgow 28/08/2008 11:03:15
Surely one of the key criteria for having a super league is that the clubs have first call on their pitch. This is not the case as Hawks where the school has first call.
3

Tobias Smyth,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 11:42:48
re: Iain Dewar

I wondered how long it would take for the doom and gloom merchants to find a negative with this idea. Instead of my guess of it being the first post, it was the 2nd.

I'm sure the schools and clubs could come to some sort of arrangement. They have done for the best part of 100 years so why not now?

Well done Hawks, hopefully other clubs will follow suit.

My 10 super league clubs would be: AGSFP, Stirling, Hawks, Ayr, Watsons, Boroughmuir, Heriots, Ed Accies, Melrose, Hawick,


4

Dave Daydream,

28/08/2008 12:40:56
Think its a good idea. Need to do something to make the club game more exciting
5

Robin Purdie,

Jedburgh 28/08/2008 13:18:30
I think it's a good idea as well.

#3 I think Currie might have something to say about that list!
6

John south of Soutra,

28/08/2008 13:30:18
I agree that we need a semi-pro league, but I would have a team from Dundee/Fife as Edinburgh couldn't support 4 teams and we need a better geographical split to grow the game.
The pitch question is valid, as the teams that use the private school pitches don't have any say in being able to use them,but I'm sure some common sense culd sort it out.
7

Interesting Observation,

Looking Down 28/08/2008 14:39:38
The reason the SRU didn't say yes or no is because the only people who attended the meeting were not decision makers. There is nothing new in what Hawks are suggesting it has been proposed before and thrown out by the SRU. It comes down to the age old problem........where are the finances going to come from? There are insufficient funds generated at club level to sustain such a venture. I am all in favour of pursuing alternatives to increase the quality of the club game but this is a non starter. Is there a viable product for any sponsor to get involved, and for what return......i think not.
8

J.A.,

28/08/2008 14:58:52
Is there enough money in Scottish Rugby to make this work? Will these clubs create enough revenue and be sustainable or will they rely on subsidies and hand outs from sugar Daddies?
I think this could be a distraction, the priority for the SRU should be to create another pro team.
The article states teams should “fulfil strong criteria on their facilities and development of players” Perhaps this should part of the criteria in allowing clubs into the premier leagues? Take a read at the article on Selkirk R F C which was in the Scotsman earlier this week. They, like a few other clubs meet the criteria.
What ever the outcome, the last thing we need at this moment is another SRU v top clubs v the rest, rift.
9

Mike D W,

28/08/2008 17:30:07
I think that an semi-pro league would be ideal.

Best to look at geography first.

Areas that need a presence

Aberdeen
Dundee
Stirling
Edinburgh (max 2)
Borders (max 2)
Glasgow (max 2)
Ayrshire

10 teams.

At present, the best club sides to fulfil the geographic requirements.

Aberdeen - AGSFP
Dundee - DHSFP
Stirling - Stirling County
Edinburgh - 2 out of Currie/Boroughmuir/Watsonians/Heriots/Edin Accies
Borders - prob Melrose & Hawick, but it could be argued that they are geographically too close (the Selkirk argument is quite good)
Glasgow - 2 out of Hawks/GHA/West
Ayrshire - Ayr

The obvious stumbling blocks are which Edinburgh teams. If they could get organised, B'muir, Watsons & Currie should create a South Edinburgh team and Accies, Heriots & Stew/Mel sort out an Edinburgh North.

Next would be the set-up of these clubs - they should limit themselves to a 1st and 2nd XV plus an under-21 team to play in a separate u-21 league.

Outside of their 1sts and 2nds they should create associations with the other clubs in their area to feed in the best players, farm out the youngsters for experience and train coaches.

Whether the semi-pro team has its own youth set-up or uses its feeder clubs to run youth teams does not matter as long as there is a defined youth team path through to the semi-pro club.

The semi-pro clubs would be the stepping stone to pro rugby.

However, one radical step would have to be taken. This semi-pro league would have to be ring fenced with no relegation. Teams would only come out the league if they failed to meet the criteria set. However, Scottish rugby should try everything in its power to make each semi-pro club strong.

Under this, the traditional clubs can still be in a competitive league structure.

Radical, but it could work.
10

J.A.,

29/08/2008 08:42:22
#9

How long do you think clubs would spend arguing over this one?
The Edinburgh clubs who are wanting to be one of the semi pro teams are not wanting to be amalgamated, they want it for themselves!
Hawick and Melrose are not geographically close at all. Selkirk is quite close to Hawick but a little closer to Gala. Melrose on the other hand is very close to Gala but some 18 miles from Hawick. Were you getting a little confused?
This is a huge distraction and will only lead to another decade of argument, by which time; we will slipped even further behind the rest of the world.
11

Bugle,

Wur Capital City 29/08/2008 11:42:50
J.A. Any suggestions how to close the ever-widening gap between the professional game and club rugby?
12

Dave Daydream,

29/08/2008 11:47:38
Lets get the debate going J.A. as Bugle says what would you propose to do to shorten the gap? Its easy to criticse everything lets get some ideas on how to do it.
13

J.A.,

29/08/2008 13:00:00
I agree, we must find a solution.

One major concern I have with the proposed semi pro clubs, they will not bring more people into the game but simply draw from their smaller neighbouring clubs. If this was to happen our game would be finished.

Our experience in the past has shown clubs often vote for what is best for them and not necessarily the good of the game.

I think we should look at the Irish model to start with, although it is not perfect, it does appear to be working. In the Borders, I would be more in favour of one pro team run by the clubs with SRU support in a similar way to the old South. It would have the support of the clubs and as a result the whole area. Whether that team played at one venue or at various would have to be agreed but it would certainly stand a better chance of success than the old Reivers did.
14

Bugle,

Wur Capital City 29/08/2008 22:48:08
J.A. What exactly is the Irish model and why does it work so well?

 

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