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Are MPs living in a dream world by voting to keep £24,000 allowance?



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Published Date: 04 July 2008
MPS were last night accused of having their "snouts in the trough" after refusing to surrender their ability to furnish their second homes with up to £24,000 of plasma TV screens and new kitchens from John Lewis stores.
But they voted in favour of limiting their pay increase to 2.25 per cent this year, which will add £1,391 to their current £61,820 salaries.

Some 155 MPs wanted a pay rise worth around 4.5 per cent, including 20 with Scottish constituencies. They lost a Commons vote after the government and Conservative front-bench combined to ensure the pay deal was kept in line with public sector deals in a bid to keep down the rate of inflation.

The most controversial move was the decision by MPs to refuse to back a major reform of their expenses.

This recommended scrapping the "additional costs allowance" of £24,006 a year, which covers rent or mortgage payments for a second home and allows it to be furnished with items up to the value of those sold by John Lewis.

MPs also refused to allow external auditors to scrutinise their claims each year, though they will still have to comply with the Freedom of Information Act.

More than 30 government ministers opted to keep the ACA, including Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, Andy Burnham, the Culture Secretary, and Shaun Woodward, the Northern Ireland Secretary.

The Scots MPs who voted for the 4.5 per cent pay rise were: Malcolm Bruce, Alistair Carmichael, Tom Clarke, Michael Connarty, Ian Davidson, Brian Donohoe, Nigel Griffiths, David Hamilton, Jim Hood, John McFall, Jim McGovern, Rosemary McKenna, Anne Moffat, Sandra Osborne, John Robertson, Gavin Strang, Sir Robert Smith and Mike Weir.

Liberal Democrat MP Danny Alexander said: "Those mainly Labour MPs, along with some Tories, who voted to block these radical reforms should be utterly ashamed of their self-serving and cynical votes.

"By voting to keep their snouts in the trough, Labour MPs have shown total contempt for public demand for a more open and accountable system."

MPs also killed off moves to subject their allowances to external audits following recent scandals. Instead, the Commons will continue to police itself with internal checks.

But they approved a new programme to kit themselves out with bigger and better constituency offices at an additional cost to the taxpayer of up to £3.2 million every year.

The vote ensures the controversy over MPs' expenses will continue, as they will still be able to use £24,006 a year to claim for furniture, electrical goods, kitchens and bathrooms.

The Members' Estimate Committee (MEC), who put forward the proposals, had urged the practice be scrapped following public uproar over recent months.

Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said: "David Cameron and the shadow cabinet voted for the abolition of the John Lewis list while Gordon Brown and his most senior ministers went Awol. They are showing blatant contempt for public concerns."

Mark Lazarowicz, the Labour Edinburgh North MP, said last night: "I think MPs have made a big mistake … The public wants to see us putting our house in order."

Matthew Elliott, chief executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: "MPs have missed a crucial opportunity to restore faith in parliament. By clinging to the plasma screen TVs and luxury kitchens allowed by the John Lewis list they have shown astonishing arrogance and disregard for people's concerns."

Soaring cost of living leaves Britons worse off than five years ago

Lindsay McIntosh


THE spiralling cost of living has left Britons 15 per cent worse off than they were five years ago, according to research published today.

Accountants Ernst & Young said crippling mortgage and debt repayments combined with rising fuel and energy prices had left households feeling the pinch.

The dire prediction came after the Bank of England warned that mortgage availability would continue to fall, as lenders tightened loans criteria in the face of rising defaults. Also yesterday – a day after housebuilding giant Taylor Wimpey announced plans to axe hundreds of jobs – Barratt Developments said it could be forced to shed about 1,000 positions.

In a bid to stymie the economic crisis and rein in escalating inflation, the European Central Bank yesterday raised its benchmark interest rate by a quarter percentage point to 4.25 per cent.

Ernst & Young said that households were now left with an average of £772.79 to spend each month after paying their fixed monthly outgoings – down from £909.84 in 2003.

Jason Gordon, director of retail at the firm, said: "Many UK consumer segments are feeling the pinch as big rises in household costs outstrip relatively modest wage inflation.

"Consumers are painfully aware of hikes in petrol and utility bills, but we've also seen some hefty price increases in pension contributions and debt repayments.

"If we factor in food price inflation, which official figures have placed at 8.7 per cent in the past year, it's clear household budgets are under enormous strain.

"Add the impact of falling house prices and the consumer economy is undoubtedly on a knife edge."

He said the worst could still be to come, with utility prices expected to rise by up to 40 per cent this year.

The report found fixed monthly household costs had soared by nearly 45 per cent during the past five years, to take up 53 per cent of people's total pay.

Homeowners were shelling out 78 per cent more in mortgage repayments than in 2003-4 at an average of £735 a month, due to a combination of higher interest rates and people taking out bigger mortgages

Monthly energy bills have leapt by 110 per cent during the period to an average of £95.80, while petrol costs for the typical family are 29 per cent higher at £193.61.

The full article contains 984 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 29 July 2008 12:07 PM
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1

Nit-Nat,

04/07/2008 00:05:59
Nicola Sturgeon really embarassed her on Question Time last night. She looked terrible.

MPs have shot themselves in the foot on this one, although not as bad as Nicola Sturgeon's push poor performance on QT.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 00:09:57

Funny old World at times, but that's life,....

For some, £24,000 is double their 'Annual Wage' for people that are 'Honest' and work their, 'butt' off for!
3

MisterN,

Scotland 04/07/2008 00:12:32
1

I must admit it wasnt her best she seemed a bit subdued and didnt challange anything said by the other punters. She did deal with her own questions well enough but didnae confront the other panalists.
Yep a bit disappointing from a heavy weight like her.
4

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 00:27:09
Aint even looked at the vote and I bet a tenner Moffat voted to keep it!

Just call it instinct!
5

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 00:28:33
I personally think you 2 trolls are the worst exapmles of childish trolling possible.

Wait 5 mins whilst I create another username to back myself up.........
6

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 04/07/2008 00:30:05
I thought greenshirt man sounded a lot like AM2.

Wee nicola had an under par performance, true. But greenman only shows the weakness of ultraliebore eedjits and the argument is easily defeated. Viz:

Wendy: I'm not that kinda girl, I don't believe in independence, why would i want a referendum.

Wendy: I've changed my mind. Bring it on.

Gordy Broon: WTF are you on about

Most of liebore in scotland and westmonster: Yep froggylips, WTF are you on ?

Wendy: Oops, sorry, won't do it again

Gordy/liebour: cool, mutha.

Wendy: Aw, wtf. I'm gonnae have to resign for dodgy donations, so bring on the referendum !

Gordy/Liebour AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH.

At least the SNP have consistently said they want a referendum. Labour - no/yes/no/yes, then have not even said if they would support the question being proposed (see url in my name above if you want to see it for real).

Missed opportunity tonight to hammer the unionists on this. She seemed a bit off colour.

btw, not many scots accents asking questions or on the panel either.

7

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 04/07/2008 00:31:55
#4, @rse;

"The SNP is a one-man-band when it comes to debating."

So liebour and the rest of the parties are all mass debators ?

Yep, thanks for confirming what I always thought.
8

Jwil,

04/07/2008 00:33:04
The Labour activist in the audience of QT last night was determined to make a big issue of the independence question.

I thought the Liberal grand dame was most condescending in her attitude to Scots. She went out of her way to give Scotland praise.
9

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

04/07/2008 00:38:25
Are MPs living in a dream world by voting to keep £24,000 allowance?

No its just the labour MP,s. I hope the SNP bring this issue up in the by -election with the voters in Glasgow. What a rotten bunch of hacks labour are, sell Scotland down the clyde so they can keep the perks
10

subrosa,

04/07/2008 00:49:39
I agree Nicola Sturgeon's performance on QT wasn't her best but personally I didn't think she looked too well.

The problem is, when we have excellent debaters like Nicola, it's far more evident when she's having an 'off' day.

MPs in a dream world? Permanently.
11

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 04/07/2008 00:54:47
#10 The independence question is the SNPs raison d'etre and the man with the green shirt made a very telling point which Ms Sturgeon did very little to rebut.
12

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 04/07/2008 00:56:13
#7.

I know that, fule. Did you watch the programme ? Not many mussleburgh accents (or scots at all).
13

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 04/07/2008 00:57:50
#12

Accurate comment nonetheless.

10cc ? Naw, the old meatnveg can still manage a bit more than that, but LOL tho :)
14

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McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 04/07/2008 01:27:29
#19, @rse

I am a capital city bhoy. I lived in England too for ages. I am back home now. I know the difference between east, west, north and south of Scotland accents and many across all parts of England.

I know my @rse from my elbow in other words.

There is no racist intent. I merely pointed out the obvious. There was barely a question asked by a scot tonight and on the panel, how many Scots ? 2. of 6 (including dimblebore).

Hmmmm. Don't remember other qt's in england where nary an englishman could be heard for scots on the panel and in the audience ? This was supposed to be in scotland on scottish issues, but turned into a bit of a limp lettuce of a programme.
16

Jwil,

04/07/2008 01:28:12
#15

My point was if you watch any other QT they are generally all ordinary members of the public. You can tell from the tenor and tone of the questions, but our Labour activist laddy was just there to be big and bold and loud and to spout Unionist propaganda. There was no real sense of what ordinary memers of the public think about the issue.

The whole programme was a disappointment, not conducive to good debate and we got very little insight from it. The follow-up programme on News 24 was even worse. Hardly any e-mails from Scotland and the level of discussion was appalling. The only Scot represented was from the Scotsman 'paper and he was naturally going to talk up the Union argument.

By the way Wendy was billed to appear in the QT programme but obviously had ducked out after her tribulations. We had Cairns who represents London Labour against Nicola from the SNP. Why didn't they ask an opposition member of the Scottish parliament to appear? Did they all bottle out?


17

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 04/07/2008 01:29:44
btw @rse grating @rsehole

"Funnily enough, unless you live in a Labour ghetto like Shettleston, you will encounter a wide range of accents throughout the central belt of Scotland"

Not very socially inclusive is it ? Can you even find Shettleston on a map ? Sweeping statement here maybe ?
18

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 04/07/2008 01:31:42
#21

Yep, she sure sh@t her pants.
19

DouglasT,

04/07/2008 01:34:43
Westminster MPs have effectively told us to sod off, they'll continue to use our taxes to provide their not so little luxuries.

The SNP could not have engineered a better PR execise, they are sure of my vote now.
20

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 04/07/2008 01:37:56
#21 You don't get it do you, the programme is intended for the whole of the UK and the panel must reflect that. The Asian gentleman in the audience also made the same telling point as the green man.
21

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

04/07/2008 01:46:16
#25

The Asian man ? Did he not have a Scottish accent, how do you know he was from Asia.

The program was mostly centered around Scottish issues and the panel did not reflect that.. stupid inept mong
22

subrosa,

04/07/2008 02:20:13
With regard to Question Time (in Scotland), in all the years I've watched it only the SNP have always put up a very senior party member. The unionist parties have insulted us constantly by putting up unknowns and the labour party seem, particularly in the past few years, to put forward someone then they never materialise.

Hopeless one tonight with all these stand-ins for our politicians. No wonder Nicola was quiet.
23

bring them on,

04/07/2008 03:17:18
"Snouts in the trough?"

More like heids up horses @rses.
24

Traquir , Alba,

04/07/2008 04:15:05
Interesting that more Unionist pig troughing
tops the headlines and the critical
Glasgow East by-election is hidden
in the minor headlines.

Getting back to the real world :

"David Cairns, the Scotland Office Minister, said: "If a by-election is not called now, the earliest possible date would be late October."

see - tinyurl.com/6979x3

Angus Robertson SNP MP
"The 1975 Recess Election Act allows for parliamentary by-elections to take place when Parliament is not in session,"

see - tinyurl.com/5wclvt

Oops, Labour caught out to be liars yet again :)

"The deadline for getting a postal vote is
5.00 pm on Wednesday, 9th July 2008"

"The issuing of postal ballot papers will commence on or after 14 July 2008"

see - tinyurl.com/63djyo

Glasgow Trades holidays are the week of the election
19th to 25th July. So basically to have a chance
to vote anybody that is going on holiday needs
to fill in the postal ballot and hopefully
receive the postal ballot form before they
head off on holiday. I wonder what the chance are
that they will get posted out after the 14th
July and won't arrive in mailboxes until people
have left for vacation the 18th July ?

From the Guardian

"Polling day has been deliberately placed during the summer holidays - Scottish schools have already broken up. It is also midway through the Glasgow fair holiday, when the city traditionally empties and the more politically volatile C2 demographic - backbone of many a byelection swing - are safely away on vacation."

"Today, humiliatingly, Labour's view is that the fewer people who vote, the better. Glasgow East - like Brown's premiership - is now entirely about survival."

see - tinyurl.com/66cr87

Clearly this is democracy British style - apparently
there is only a level playing field if
you are wearing a Unionist strip.
One silver lining though the SNP win in Glasgow East
will be even sweeter when it wins against
this type of underhand abuse.

Saor Alb
25

Traquir , Alba,

04/07/2008 04:15:34

cont.

P.S. Not that easy to find but the postal ballot
application form is at http://tinyurl.com/59spkb

PLEASE PLEASE pass this around so the people of
Glasgow East at least have the chance to vote.
26

Billy Mac,

Oz 04/07/2008 04:32:54
Is anybody really surprised by this. These so called "public servants" are only there so serve themselves and help themselves to as much of the public purse as they can get their greasy hands on.
27

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04/07/2008 06:15:52
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04/07/2008 06:20:14
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 06:24:36
Number 2- At least traquir backs his up with facts and not just empty rhetoric. You have said the same thing about 5 times in the past week.

It's like listening to groundhog day.
30

Jimmy the Pie,

04/07/2008 06:26:14
Was the nutter in the green shirt on QT last night, AM2 ?
31

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 06:34:51
Number 2/6 : "tinyurl.com/5ncw8z" - More study required I think by you..............
32

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 06:45:32
Do you think some labour millionaires bought the herald to stop us commenting? Either that or they are poison pilling their own paper.
33

Jimmy the Pie,

04/07/2008 06:47:06
These are the Scottish MPs who voted to keep the trough filled up and their places at the trough booked!!

Remember their names.

Working class heroes???

Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South),
Tom Clarke (Coatbridge),
Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East),
Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West),
Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central),
Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East),
Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow),
Eric Joyce (Falkirk),
Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West),
James McGovern (Dundee West),
Ann e McGuire (Stirling),
Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East),
John Robertson (Glasgow North West),
Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North),
Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East),
34

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 06:52:35
#38 - I am shocked! No Moffat!
35

Jimmy the Pie,

04/07/2008 06:55:47
#39
No Moffat but here's another I missed earlier

David Hamilton (Midlothian),
36

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 06:58:19
This really does make it look like MP's are simply in it for themselves. Snout's in the trough is an accurate description for those MP's who voted for this.

A huge, highly controversial allowance, that has obviously caused a public outcry, and yet they vote to keep it. They're out of touch with the country, clearly not representing the public's wishes, and its simply unacceptable.

I hope every MP who voted for this is deselected by their party at the next election.
37

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 04/07/2008 06:59:52
MPs should be offered the furnished second homes of their choice paid for BUT belonging to the tax payer. This way our money is not wasted.
38

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 07:09:48
#42 Exactly.

They don't get a huge bonus at the taxpayers expense, and we're not paying for it forever. Should have been done years ago. Scotland's MSP's should have this system too.
39

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

04/07/2008 07:12:38
Oh, Moffat's snout is in there:

"The Scots MPs who voted for the 4.5 per cent pay rise were: Malcolm Bruce, Alistair Carmichael, Tom Clarke, Michael Connarty, Ian Davidson, Brian Donohoe, Nigel Griffiths, David Hamilton, Jim Hood, Adam Ingram, John McFall, Jim McGovern, Rosemary McKenna, Anne Moffat, Sandra Osborne, Alan Reid, John Robertson, Gavin Strang, Sir Robert Smith and Mike Weir."
40

LEAL,

04/07/2008 07:20:29
Greedy pigs
41

M & S loyal,

Lochwinnoch 04/07/2008 07:22:13
Nice to see our MPs are looking after themselves and to hell with the rest of the country, no wonder the public has no trust or respect for them. As for their performance in running the country I wouldn't trust them to run a raffle at a church fete but if they did run this raffle I sure a member of their family would win.
42

spiderman,

argyll 04/07/2008 07:27:25
I think you've all been a bit hard on Nicola! I thought she was simply trying to promote the SNP government across a UK-wide programme as being non-confrontational and a bit more mature than sometimes portrayed. The guy in the green shirt was a clear Labour plant, a pain in the neck basically.
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04/07/2008 07:33:03
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04/07/2008 07:34:31
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Madame Ecosse - Fleur d'Ecosse,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 07:35:15
She diffused Greenman well though: "we want a relationship of equals with England." Can't argue with that. Nikki rocks!
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04/07/2008 07:40:13
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/07/2008 07:40:32
#49 Number: 6,
Nicola Sturgeon came over very statesmanly unlike David Cairns who looked like he was sooking a lemon.

Was the idiot in the green shirt AM2?????
48

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 07:43:32
#51 top put down. I will now be quiete......LOL
49

FrankJB,

Old York 04/07/2008 07:44:24
Snouts, snouts, snouts. Who amoungst us would say no to our boss if they offered us that salary?

But, if, if,if, we want to attract good quality people (nay, the best quality of people) to represent us - because that's what these MP's actually are supposed to do - then we have to pay the going rate for the job - which is the same in all sectors of employment, surely. I want the quality of our MP's is above that of most people in buisness especially as they make decisions that affect us all. Most could get a job 5 - 10 times that salary in the City if they wanted to. If the salary o offer is too low, then we only get the dregs to represent us all - and that is bad for us all, surely?

We as a democracy have to decide if we want to pay the serious rate for the job or not. Otherwise we end up with people who live in the trough rather than planners who to better for us all. Our local PCT boss earns £150k+, our local Council head earns £200k+, lets all get real!

Same argument applies to heads of charities like OXFAM etc. If you want the best management, you have to pay the going rate.

AND, at the end of the day, WE the public vote them in - that's democracy folks. Maybe less MP's beter paid would be the answer??
50

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 07:44:51
#53 - HO HO HO GREEN...............PLACEMAN............
51

Phil C,

04/07/2008 07:45:33
I just pray that one day we will not need politicians and that an independent Scotland can be run by normal people with experience and integrity. They would be paid as any other professional worker. The main decisions could be taken by the people through electronic referendums/a. That would be real democracy, without party political divides...and the snouts would be taken out the troughs!
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 07:47:10
The president of America gets a salary of $200,000 and expenses of 50,000

Our MPS gets wads more in pounds in salaries, wifes salaries, cousin berts salaries oh and John Lewis!

53

obeone,

04/07/2008 07:49:32
YEah who was the guy in the green shirt? Lets get him. He'll be first against the wall come independence. Doesn't he understand the new order in Scotland, a one party nationalist state. Scotland/SNP Uber Alles
54

Jimmy the Pie,

04/07/2008 07:51:46
Here's another snout who voted for her place at the trough


Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock),
55

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 07:56:20
The guy in the green shirt I think was comedian David Mitchell (Mark from Peep Show).

And to #55, I'd have no problem paying a huge salary to MP's if they were worth it. However most are inept. If I was running my own company, would I want to employ many of them on ability? I think not.
56

Calgacas,

04/07/2008 08:00:23
Another huge mistake by Labour, at least another twenty seats down the swanny, will they have any left after the next election. A golden opportunity lost.The rot gets deeper by the day.
57

Rodster,

Glasgow 04/07/2008 08:06:06
I do not often , in fact never heap praise on Unionists ,however today I feel I must.
The bye election has begun , I do not know how they managed it but never in all the years I have watched QT have I ever before noticed an audience quite like last night.
Even by recent QT programmes the audience was very partisan towards the government and Brown .
If you have watched over last few months the anger of the audiences is apparent,not so last night .
The muppet in green and his placeman behind him congratulating him immediately ( bit like unionist postings on line n'est pas?)
That was only the start it will get more and more partisan and anti Independence in the next 3 weeks .
Every dirty trick will be used , however back to the thread , dishonest ,corrupt , distasteful there are not enough words in the English language to describe the decision of the MPs last night on this vote .
Another union dividend I suppose

58

Thistledhu,

04/07/2008 08:06:14
John Mcfall head of finance committee also represents one of the most deprived constituancy's in scotland.

Votes for keeping the allowances increaseing allowances for constituancy offices (which are a cover to pass money on to family and party cronies)

of course this is done safe in the knowledge that he is one of the safest labour seats going (despite the fact the local labour party has been found to be rotten to the core by labour head office and Audit scotland)

and of course the amount of mps in the chamber and who turned up to vote say's it all about there priority's i think shameless
59

buller,

Macduff 04/07/2008 08:07:09
All this and the GOLD PLATED PENSION, how can these people claim to represent us when they are so far removed from the real world ? They just don't have any clue !

James Whale on Talk Radio is campaigning that come the next election , you can vote for whoever you like , BUT not the standing MP , so that they might get the message that they are ALL as bad, ignorant , greedy out of touch as oneanother !! Sounds like not a bad idea
60

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/07/2008 08:08:08
#42

"MPs should be offered the furnished second homes of their choice paid for BUT belonging to the tax payer. This way our money is not wasted."

Even more cost effective would be to house them in a council flat in Tower Hamlets, furnished with items bought at the local charity shop.
61

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/07/2008 08:10:06
I hope this becomes one of the main issues in the by election. Vote Labour send another Piggy to the trough.
62

Scotish Exile,

04/07/2008 08:17:16
why should they be allowed to vote on their own pay and expenses, they are normally keen to canvass the opinion of "focus groups" so whay not on this issue...ah.. that's right, they would probably get told to p8ss off
63

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/07/2008 08:18:32
#48

"How do you listen to Groundhog day?"

On February 2nd you stick your head in a hole in the ground and listen for distinctive sound of Groundhogs tunnelling.

This should make you feel right at home Number 6, since from your posts it can be deduced, that having your head stuck up some dirty whole is what you do 365 days a year
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1745,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 08:18:52
Why have a panel which includes a comedian who seems to know little about A)Politics and B)Scotland ?
The Lib Dem MEP seemed to think that if she "did not like it " then the matter was consigned to the bin.
David Cairns self satisfied Labour, probably knew the guy in the ghastly green shirt.
65

M.T.,

04/07/2008 08:22:37
The MP's have voted not only to retain their taxfree allowances but also refused to allow external auditors to scrutinise their claims each year, though they will still have to comply with the Freedom of Information Act.

Whilst they are living in their dream world, they have made our lives a nightmare.
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cabrach loon,

inverness 04/07/2008 08:27:40
the lack of moralit in public life by the representatives of the people says it all - fit to cheat and conspire and lie but not fit oor competent to govern - vote the lot out who voted to keep their greedy snouts in the trough at a time like this! Hides like elephants!
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john z,

edinburgh 04/07/2008 08:30:42
Are MPs living in a dream world by voting to keep £24,000 allowance?

Yes.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 08:36:12
An enquiry should be held into how The BBC selected the audience and then selected which members thbereof should speak for last night's QT - it certainly did not reflect a cross section of political opinion in Scotland.

There is no depth to which the unionists will not descend to get their lies, deceptions and scare stories prominently shoved in our faces.
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JayJay,

Right here 04/07/2008 08:40:00
The issue of the myriad of taxes on fuel was discussed the day before. You'll all recall the wise words of a couple of Labour nodding dogs who described the cost of fuel as a "complex issue" that had to be considered "in the round". So that one was left in the pot over the summer, and petrol remains at £1.20 per litre.
As for their own expenses and salaries, issues on which the entire country would have a strong view, its party hat and balloon time, and yes yes yes.
Many of these Labour MPs know their time is nearly up, and I suspect their "yes" vote reflects a deep desire to ensure that they don't miss last orders on the gravy train.
If Brown has no clue why people hold him in deep contempt, their blood pressure rises with every trip to the petrol station, the supermarket or when the latest electricity bill is delivered. They see MPs do little to curb wildly excessive taxation combined with reckless spending and reasonably ask "what are these dummies doing for me".
They could reign in oil and energy companies who combine huge price hikes with huge profit increases-they could create a FSA with teeth to curb oil speculation in the markets. But these mere trifles need to take second place to far more important business, like a new telly from John Lewis!
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jdships,

04/07/2008 08:44:44

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No problem with the salary issue if there was " a value for money" end product .While I have only ever met a few MP's/MSP's there is an egotistical streak showing in all of them - probably explains why they "applied" for the job in the first place !.

Re expenses . Another huge mistake by the Labour Party .
Why don't parliament have a designated block of houses/apartments that MP's can use when in London.
That way the cost can be controlled.

Re N S's performance on QT
" People often as k the question
"Will the real N.S. please stand up ?"
Last night I think she did - inept to say the least.

Interested to note the SNP activists defending her ala "Scotsman" alledgedlly does for Labour !
They just cannot accept criticsm - sad !
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Edward,

04/07/2008 08:51:11
On last nights Question TIme there were at least 2 Labour activist plants, placed in the centre of the audience on the same row. The one with the loud green Ralph Lauren 'Polo' shirt and toward the centre the one in the reddish Ralph Lauren 'Polo' shirt . Neither from Musselburgh and definately not your ordinary 'man in the street' They tended to make statements as apposed to normal questions. Stood out a bit. Probably freinds of Simon Pia
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 04/07/2008 08:57:10
MPs/MSPs should be paid the national average wage. No more, no less.

If we have to live on it, then so should they.

It is immoral to demand more before one serves one's country.
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obeone,

04/07/2008 09:02:57
78 you're right, damn those labour unionist stooges calling for an immediate referendum! A true patriot doesn't want a referendum for two years.
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Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 04/07/2008 09:06:07
I am a peasant revolted by them.
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Bewildered,

GLASGOW 04/07/2008 09:11:57
If I was required to have two homes, one of them in London, I would expect the costs of the London home to be met. It may well be that the system on MPs expenses has been abused and badly controlled. Tighter controls, properly applied, would deal with this, and strong sanctions (sacking of MPs) who break the rules). Other organisations and companies can do this; why not Parliament ?
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MisterN,

Scotland 04/07/2008 09:12:04
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Oh aye a true patriot would want a party to call the shots from the opposition benches.
A true patriot would expect his or her country to be governed by the party which lost the election.
A true patriot would expect his or her government to completely ignore their manifesto promises.
A true patriot would give his or her full support for the party which can flip flop the most times in a week.
A true patriot will now expect the party which called for a referendum to fully support that referendum when it arrives in the future no doubt what do you think?
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margaux 57,

04/07/2008 09:13:41
Just heard Brian Donohue on Radio Scotland-Was he angry!How dare us plebs think that M.P,S dont deserve all they can get!They NEED £24000 to furnish their London flat-but what happens NEXT YEAR?Do they furnish it again?This article says that its per year.INDEFENSIBLE!
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A Crofter,

Western Isles 04/07/2008 09:13:56
Our MPs are bad enough - but not a patch on our MEPs, who continue to block all attempts to release any details of their junketing, the annual cost of which is estimated at £150m. Not really surprising for an outfit that hasn't been able to produce any audited accounts for decades!

Can we have a referendum on whether to ditch ALL politicians at EVERY level?
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MisterN,

Scotland 04/07/2008 09:13:57
78

They both in fact had Southern English accents.
Yep they stood out like sore thumbs.
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Edward,

04/07/2008 09:14:11
The List of 17 Scottish scum leetches
Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South),
Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill),
Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East),
Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West),
Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central),
David Hamilton (Midlothian),
Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East),
Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow),
Eric Joyce (Falkirk),
Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West),
James McGovern (Dundee West),
Anne McGuire (Stirling),
Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East),
Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock),
John Robertson (Glasgow North West),
Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North),
Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)

These people are beyond contempt, in view of how the people they
supposedly represent, are having to deal with the realities of life and this bunch can swan around John Lewis ordering what they like, tax free!
If your MP is named and shamed here, remember they need your vote to
remain in Parliament, they need your vote to continue to enjoy the ‘perks’
There are other Scottish MP’s missing, abstention is no excuse!
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La5t_minit,

04/07/2008 09:19:58
Just typical of those self centered robbing scum that they have the cheek to tell ordinary working people they cant get a penny without working their asses off for it, whilst at the same time they rob the same working people blind through taxes to pay for their own 'luxuries'.

Where's Guy Fox when you really need him?. These arrogant idiots couldnt run the lenghth of their own recently remodelled kitchens without claiming taxi fare let alone run the country.

They make me sick.
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04/07/2008 09:20:04
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Edward,

04/07/2008 09:21:36
Westminster Parliamet 'The gift that gives on giving'!
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archie12,

04/07/2008 09:21:56
.....and the one with the snout deepest into the trough is the record breaking claimant Anne Moffat, the biggest leech of all.
Tell me, have the Police discovered what everyone in Port Seton/Cockenzie reckons about her "assault and robbery" by so-called scum? "Drunk woman falls over and tells porkies to save face" You're the scum Moffat, and you know it. You also read this so quick before its blue pencilled by the Hootsmon.
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shivago8,

livingston 04/07/2008 09:25:21
They are not above the law.

I say--next election.

Everyone boycott the polls.

Shower of crooks
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subrosa,

04/07/2008 09:30:01
# 32

David Dimbleby was very biased on QT too. I counted he 'blanked' Nicola 7 times. Not good for a so-called chairperson.

Nicola knew the type of audience they were (she's a clever woman) so decided the best way was to play it subtle. Dimbleby didn't even give her the chance to respond when Cairns accused her of not knowing the 'rules' concerning by-elections when Westminster isn't sitting. Biased BBC behaviour as usual.
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subrosa,

04/07/2008 09:32:56
# 66

Not a bad idea. Thanks for letting me know James Whale's still on radio and being himself.
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04/07/2008 09:33:47
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bluehead,

edinburgh 04/07/2008 09:35:33
is it surprising what any politician does when it comes to looking after themselves?once they change over
from being normal people into zombified creatures,who stalk the weird ,murky world of politics and concentrate on making sure everything becomes very cosy for themselves,they even have the brass neck to mention the word ,Democracy,as if it ever existed in this country, I hear repeated calls for reforms of one thing or another,then the priority place to start is in the house of commons,wherein all the main evil of this country stems from
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/07/2008 09:36:36
#93 shivago8,

Boycotting the polls would be the worst possible thing to do. That would let the likes of the halfwit in the green shirt do what all New Labour Sleaze activists do - jump on the gravy train.

Vote SNP

The ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/07/2008 09:38:11
#96 Number: 6,

Would that have been Donald Dewar or Henry McLeish?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 09:43:04
# 94 is right. For the first three questions Nicola was called to speak before David Cairns who had last word.

On MPs expenses just bring on Independence and save money by abolishing Scottish Constituency MPs at Westminste.
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Publius,

Girvan 04/07/2008 09:43:39
Couple of points:
(1) MPs' expenses. Either Labour MPs know that they'll lose their seats in two years' time so they they are grabbing as much as they can while they're still there or they are too stupid to know what they are doing. Perhpas a Labour supporter could tell us which it is.
(2) Question Time. I never reckoned much to Nicola. Her performance was poor like it usually is. Of course, there are plants in Question Time audiences. Time was when Labour would fill the audience with dozens of plants whose job it was to howl down anyone they didn't like. Now they can manage only one or two plants. But I thought the SNP would have planted a few more people. SNP organisation is may not be as good as they claim.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 09:43:49
These perks should go. There should be also a uniform system for employing staff and a pay grade scale, they should not be allowed to use it however they like. They should be involved in the shortlisting and hiring of their staff, but with others on the interview panel to make sure it's not a sham. They should not be allowed to employ members of their own family, that's called nepotism. If they had the capacity they would be ashamed of themselves, but they haven't. They had a cheek given the 10p tax band abolition.
Some people struggle to maintain one house, and while they are struggling their taxes are paying for these pigs to pay for two houses to a level that is completely unacceptable.
How much do the 59 Scottish MPs cost?
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 09:47:10
And Peter Kilfoyle MP said he was effectively 'self-employed' - what image do these guys have of themselves.
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Edward,

04/07/2008 09:47:13
#96 Number 6
You must be blind as well as stupid!
Alex Salmond makes a point of being in Westminster, when it doesnt clash with Holyrood and when its about non devolved matters that could effect Scotland
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PaulW,

Borders 04/07/2008 09:47:14
#99 Don't waste your time with Number 6 (that's his IQ, by the way and he deserves sympathy)

The only way to respond to numpties / stooges like the Mr Green Ralph lauren shirt and IQ=6 is to stick it to them where it hurts - deliver leaflets, donate, or canvass for the SNP. In doing so, make sure the voters of Glasgow East have the last laugh over the Mugabe-esque New Liebour party, who would give Uncle Jo Stalin a run for his money in terms of running a rotten burgh.
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albanman,

04/07/2008 09:47:32
I've made a careful note that our MP, Gavin Strang, voted for a pay increase above the official rate of inflation whilst the rest of us have to do with around 2%. Come election time, my vote will go elsewhere.