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Scotland salutes Olympic heroes: 50,000 line Royal Mile to honour Chris Hoy and co.



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Published Date: 27 August 2008
A CROWD of 50,000 turned out to welcome Scotland's Olympic heroes home today.
Gold-winning medal cyclist Chris Hoy was joined by fellow Scots medallists Ross Edgar, Katherine Grainger and David Florence for an open top bus parade down Edinburgh's Royal Mile.

The historic thoroughfare was packed with flag-waving well-wishers
as the bus made its way from Edinburgh Castle, where a reception for the Olympians was held, down to Holyrood Park.

"It means so much to be home but also to see how warm the reception has been and how much interest there has been," Hoy said today.

"We had no idea in the village just what was going on.

"You get the odd text message and email saying it's crazy, but you just don't take it in."

Hoy, 32, became the first Briton for 100 years to win three golds at a single Olympics, having previously hit gold in Athens four years ago.

The athletes waved to the crowds from the top deck of the Saltire-clad bus, with Edinburgh native Hoy picking out friends and relatives below.

Edinburgh's Lord Provost George Grubb said the parade through the heart of the capital had been a "staggering success".

He added: "Everyone who came out today had a fantastic time.

"Many more people came along than we had expected and it was perfect opportunity to welcome the medallists back – I think people will be talking about it for quite a long time.

"The huge turnout at the Royal Mile is a sign of how proud Edinburgh people are of our athletes and of the massive impact that Chris Hoy has made on the global stage."

The council later estimated 50,000 had turned out.

Among the crowd was Jennifer Davidson, 28, from Bearsden, near Glasgow, who had come to Edinburgh on her day off work to cheer on the athletes.

"They really deserve all this," she said.

"In fact, I think they deserve a lot more.

"We just can't do enough to show them how much we appreciate their success."

Mark Holloway, 44, was visiting Edinburgh on holiday from Suffolk.

He said: "This is a great event. You can't do enough for them. It's just fantastic. I feel very emotional about it. I'm so proud.

Scotland's Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was among the dignitaries to welcome the athletes home at Edinburgh Castle.

"We are really immensely proud of all of you," Ms Sturgeon told the four Olympians.

"We're quite overawed by the sheer scale of your achievements."

Ms Sturgeon referred to a huge multi-storey poster of Hoy which has been erected in Edinburgh city centre with him holding a bike above his head in front of Edinburgh Castle and the words "King of Scotland" emblazoned along the bottom.

"I don't think there's anybody in Scotland who would disagree with that title right now – you are absolutely amazing."

Edgar, 25, who clinched silver in the men's Keirin behind Hoy, described winning the medal as "the biggest thing that's ever happened in my life".

He went on: "Just to be in the same era as Chris, it's an amazing thing."

Rower Grainger, 32, picked up her third silver medal in three consecutive Olympics.

Asked whether she would be competing in the London 2012 Games, she said: "It's only two days since Beijing so it's quite early to make any decisions.

"Anyone who's been to an Olympics would agree it's the most inspirational, exciting thing to be part of."

Canoeist Florence, 26, spoke of the moment he took a silver medal in the men's slalom.

"The run went fairly well fortunately in the final. We came to the bottom and crossed the line and that was it," he said.

"That was 10 years of pressure over."



The full article contains 642 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 August 2008 4:46 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics , Chris Hoy
 
1

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 27/08/2008 17:23:00
The second write through for Mr. Gunn and still no mention of Hoy's comments on the alleged "ridiculous" quote.
Or his further statement that he'd love to compete for Team Scotland - "when and if" there is one.
Which makes the Scotsman's shock horror front of a few days ago pretty bogus.
Little wonder the Johnston group announced a massive loss and reported declining ad and circulation revenues.
The only growth is in "digital".
But when the bloggers stop believing what happens next.
2

Highland Mighty©,

27/08/2008 17:28:18
1. Actually the Daily Mail, The Sun and The Times are all seeing increase circulation.

Interesting that these are all UK, unionist and London-based publications.

Also, Chris Hoy has repeatedly stated he is a "very proud Brit". Please don't taint this glorious achievement with your petty nationalism.
3

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 27/08/2008 17:36:29
#2

I suspect the New York Daily News and for all I know Pravda are also having a good run. What's that got to do with shoddy and deceitful journalism in Scotland?
I have no idea why the London papers are increasing circulation. Nor do I care.
London is the capital of England. A foreign country which presently asserts it's unwarranted authority over the Scottish people.
But hopefully not for long.
4

subrosa,

27/08/2008 17:39:43
# 3

The London newspapers are reporting events in Scotland more accurately than the Scotsman and the Herald. That's the reason for the increase in their sales. The Independent is now printed in Glasgow and I wonder if they are thinking of developing a complete Scottish publication. We need unbiased reporting. Nobody believes anything written in the Scotsman and Herald nowadays. Sad but true.
5

MacGillicuddy,

27/08/2008 17:48:05
Has this superceded the earlier welcome home story. It was terrific to give the medal winners this treatment. I hope that ALL the Olympic Games competitors from Scotland were included and not just the medallists.

Today's Daily Record is carrying an exclusive interview with Hoy in which he dismisses totally the assertions allegedly made by Hoy and given screaming headline status in the Scotsman, regarding a Team Scotland in future Olympic Games.
Clearly one newspaper is telling porkies at Hoy's expense. But which one?
6

WL,

livingston 27/08/2008 17:49:13
Interestingly the website of the British Olympic Association gives as country of birth for Ross Edgar Great Britain (and he is listed under East England), but for Chris Hoy, David Florence and Katherine Grainger the country of birth is Scotland!
Congratulations to "Team Scotland".
7

AJ Fife,

27/08/2008 17:59:09
What happened to the earlier board!

The Scotsman must be embarrassed at being found out!!
8

Neil Waugh,

27/08/2008 18:04:54
THE STORY THE HOTSMAN EDITORS DARED NOT PRINT11111

Exclusive: Scotland can stand alone at Olympics.. with enough investment, says Chris Hoy

Aug 27 2008 By Joanne Curran

TRIPLE gold medal hero Chris Hoy last night said he'd be proud to be part of a Scottish Olympic team.

The Edinburgh cyclist rubbished reports that he thought the idea was "ridiculous".

Speaking exclusively to the Record, he told of his pride in his home country.

And he said he believes Scotland could form a world-class team - with the right investment in sports.

Chris was given a hero's welcome when he landed back in Britain on Monday after winning three golds in Beijing.

But the 32-year-old said: "I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous.

"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games.

"But before that happens, so much needs to be done for the athletes to be able to compete at the highest level.

"As a cyclist, there isn't a facility in Scotland where I can train throughout the year and that's why I have to base myself outside Scotland.

"I am proud to be Scottish, but at the same time it's not feasible to think we can compete as a nation without the right facilities."

Chris - on his way home to an emotional reunion in Edinburgh with lawyer girlfriend Sarra - said major investment would be needed to make a Scottish team successful.

He said: "Right now, around £20million a year is being invested in British cycling so there would be a huge investment required in Scotland."

He backed the campaign to save Edinburgh's Meadowbank stadium, where he trained as a young athlete

It's crystal clear, David Dunn is no Joanne Curran.
Should the Scotsman's papr press readers be told? No let's keep it a secret for a litle longer.
9

MacGillicuddy,

27/08/2008 18:07:02
#7,#8

Perhaps we should open a book on how long the Scotsman allows THIS thread to run.
10

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:11:10
Its great that Nicola Sturgeon has congratulated Chris Hoy, the other Scots medallists, the other Scots Olympians and team GB too.

Now perhaps the Scottish Government can back up Sturgeon's claim that "The Scottish Government's overriding priority is to see an increase in sporting participation rates throughout Scotland" by stopping the SNP/Lib Dem Edinburgh Council from knocking down the Meadowbank Velodrome?

Surely if the Scottish Government want to increase sporting participation rates in Scotland they should back Chris Hoy's campaign to save the velodrome and step in to stop their own councillors from knocking it down?
11

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

27/08/2008 18:15:39
2 Highland Mighty©, 27/08/2008 17:28:18

"The Daily Mail, The Sun and The Times....."

All owned by Mr R Murdoch........

I would hardly describe the Times as a unionist paper, Angus Macleod surely, but not the times.



12

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:23:57
#8

Considering you appear to believe every quote attributed to Chris Hoy in today's Daily Record I assume you also believe the quote attributed to him in yesterday's Daily Record too, namely:

"Scotland is part of Britain - they are not mutually exclusive. I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."
13

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:23:58
#8

Considering you appear to believe every quote attributed to Chris Hoy in today's Daily Record I assume you also believe the quote attributed to him in yesterday's Daily Record too, namely:

"Scotland is part of Britain - they are not mutually exclusive. I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."
14

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 18:31:10
The Unionist rag the Scotsman should be sued
for gross misrepresentation by Chris Hoy & Alex Salmond.
Their blind Unionist sycophancy masquerading as journalism has been exposed as nothing more
than biased utter garbage.

Their two "major" "scoops" for which they have penned
copious articles in the last week have been
exposed as completely artificial concoctions that
spin lies and slander in some feeble and desperate
attempt to save this rotting Union from it's
natural fate.

Story 1 :
"Chris Hoy: Scottish team in Olympics would be 'ridiculous'"
see - tinyurl.com/6e3xov

Today's Daily Record
"Scotland can stand alone at Olympics.. with enough investment, says Chris Hoy"
"Scotland could form a world-class team - with the right investment in sports."
"I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous."
"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games."

see - tinyurl.com/6apykg

Story 2 :
"Alex Salmond: Scotland 'didn't mind' Thatcher economics - SCOTSMAN.COM EXCLUSIVE"
see - tinyurl.com/6mh9rt
Ian Dale the interviewer stated -
"Quite how Labour has managed to spin Salmond's remarks about Thatcher in the way that it has is quite astonishing - but the Scottish media has such a Labour bias it makes English newspapers look positively balanced by comparison. Every single Scottish media outlet is biased against the SNP."
see - tinyurl.com/5n2r6f

The Unionistas of course are so blind they will still
deny that there is substantial bias in the press -
apparently they enjoy the fruits of a completely
slanted playing field - Democracy British Style.

Speaking of bias when are the Scottish Papers going
to report on the major North Sea oil story from
over 3 months ago.

"'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'"
- tinyurl.com/54wl8e
"North Sea oil 'will last for another half century'"
- tinyurl.com/6ml3np

Saor Alba
15

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:33:05
The Daily Record, in an article entitled "Chris Hoy: I'm proud to be Scottish...and British too" dated 26 August, also carries the 'ridiculous' quote which has caused such a fuss:

""For him (Scottish sports minister Stewart Maxwell) to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team."

This is the same 'ridiculous' quote from Hoy that the Scotsman carried. I assume since you readily believe Hoy's quotes in today's Record that you will also readily believe the above quote from yesterday's Record too?
16

Red Etin,

27/08/2008 18:33:11
TEAM SCOTLAND 2012
17

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 18:35:38
Apologies for duplicating my post, but given the
Scotsman article duplicates their articles, it is only fair :)

Definitely interesting that even with a rewrite
of the same article the Scotsman "journalists"
still failed to pick up that Chris Hoy has
ridiculed one of the Scotsman's supposed scoops,
which has just been exposed as Unionist bias claptrap.


18

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:37:35
#14

But the Record also carried the same 'ridiculous' quote as the Scotsman.

If you believe today's quotes in the Record that are attributed to Hoy, then surely you also believe the quote attributed to him in yesterday's Record too?:

"For him (Scottish sports minister Stewart Maxwell) to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team."
19

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:40:31
#17

"Definitely interesting that even with a rewrite
of the same article the Scotsman "journalists"
still failed to pick up that Chris Hoy has
ridiculed one of the Scotsman's supposed scoops"

But the Record also carried the same 'ridiculous' quote as the Scotsman, so since you believe the quotes attributed to Hoy in today's Record I assume you will also believe the quotes attributed to him in yesterday's Record too?
20

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 27/08/2008 18:40:48
#8

It's also crystal clear that I've got to proof my posts a little better and clean up the typos.
The culprit's name of David Gunn, by the way. Not David Dunn.
My apologies to all the Scots Dunn's. Please don't sue.
21

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 18:42:07
Yeahperson: what is it you think you are trying to say?

You seem very confused. The person above is voicing displeasure at the quite gross misrepresenation of reality perpetrated by both the Record and the Scotsman over the past few days.

You have already accepted on another thread that both papers were guilty of doing exactly what the above post is accusing them of.

What are you now arguing about? Have you changed your mind? Do you know what it is you are arguing against? Do you care? Are you just arguing for the sake of it?
22

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 18:43:27
19 Yeah1

"But the Record also carried the same 'ridiculous' quote as the Scotsman, so since you believe the quotes attributed to Hoy in today's Record I assume you will also believe the quotes attributed to him in yesterday's Record too?"

It looks like the Daily Record has corrected their mistake, I wonder when the Scotsman will do
likewise :)
23

Jung,

27/08/2008 18:44:32
Have just seen the tv news of Team-Scotland medallists going down the Royal Mile and not a single butcher's apron in sight. Marvellous!
24

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:48:51
#21

"You seem very confused. The person above is voicing displeasure at the quite gross misrepresenation of reality perpetrated by both the Record and the Scotsman over the past few days."

You can't have it both ways, either the Record is 'grossly misrepresenting' Chris Hoy or it isn't?

If it has grossly misrepresented him over the past few days then I assume it is also grossly mispresenting his quotes in today's article too that people like Traquir seem to be readily using?
25

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 18:50:58

"Exclusive: Scotland can stand alone at Olympics.. with enough investment, says Chris Hoy"

"I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous.

"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games."

see - tinyurl.com/6apykg

I wonder if The Scotsman will have the guts
to apologize to Scotland's greatest ever
Olympian for causing him "upset" at the
most joyful time of his entire career. Basically
they tried to use him as puppet for their
Unionist agenda and got caught red-handed again
acting against Scotland's best interests - no
wonder they are in serious financial trouble.

Personally I hope that Chris Hoy sues The Scotsman
for slander and takes them for every penny they
have, and of course use the monies to build
a nice new Velodrome in Scotland :) Now that
would be poetic justice.

Saor Alba
26

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:51:14
#22

"It looks like the Daily Record has corrected their mistake, I wonder when the Scotsman will do
likewise."

Ah I see - so when the Record quotes Hoy saying something that you want to hear then it is quoting him correctly, but when it quotes Hoy saying something that you don't want to hear then it is making a mistake....right.

That just about sums people like you up - you only believe what you want to believe, and you dismiss everything that you don't like, even if they both come from the same source...
27

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 18:52:20
Yeajperson writes: "You can't have it both ways, either the Record is 'grossly misrepresenting' Chris Hoy or it isn't?

If it has grossly misrepresented him over the past few days then I assume it is also grossly mispresenting his quotes in today's article too that people like Traquir seem to be readily using?"

On what planet does this statement make sense?

Are you drunk?
28

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 18:54:23
26 Yeah1

Do you still think the story is true or was
a retraction like the Daily Record in order ?

29

Jung,

27/08/2008 18:54:26
#26
As a pot you are very good at calling the kettle black!
30

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:56:00
#25

Why are you quite happy to believe the quotes in today's Record attributed to Hoy but you refuse to believe the quotes attributed to Hoy in yesterday's Record?

Is it because today's quotes are in line with what you believe but yesterday's quotes are not? Its embarassing how blinkered some people can be...
31

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 18:57:08
26 Yeah1

Out of interest do you have some political
stance here -
I really can't tell from you posts what your point
if any is ?

Are you perhaps a Unionist or a British Nationalist,
just curious. Or perhaps you are a double
agent to help the Nationalist cause, if so you
are doing quite a good job keep it up.

Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic
32

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 18:57:39
Yeahperson:

To get back to my original question: have you now changed your mind that the Record and the Scotsman both manipulated the facts of this story for their own agenda?

That is what you seem now to be doing.

Shall I show all the boys and girls on this forum (whose opinions you seem to be so obsessed by) what you said today on the matter?

Are you a different person from the person I was talking to today (shift work at Millbank) or has the whisky inhibited your cognitive powers?
33

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 18:58:31
#27

"If it has grossly misrepresented him over the past few days then I assume it is also grossly mispresenting his quotes in today's article too that people like Traquir seem to be readily using?"

On what planet does this statement make sense?"

Okay you are clearly having difficulty understanding plain English so I will spell it out to you in as simple terms as possible:

Do you believe the quotes attributed to Chris Hoy in the Daily Record, yes or no?
34

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 27/08/2008 18:58:59
I believe that the best person to express the opinions of CHRIS HOY is CHRIS HOY and this is his own words...

"I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous.

"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games.


END OF STORY
35

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 19:02:53
Doonhammer:

well said.

The chap himself has acknowledged that he has been misrepresented.

The Scotsman should publicy apoligise to him.

But if it doesn't, who cares? They have humiliated themselves totally with this. Their descent into the realms of Tabloid journalism was completed with this story.

Unfortunate. I used to really like this paper (and had an emotional attachment to it - I still have the origional broadsheet edition with a published a letter I wrote when I was a wee boy).
36

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 19:05:39
#31

"I really can't tell from you posts what your point
if any is ?"

My point is that you seem to be picking and choosing which quotes you want to believe.

You are perfectly happy to believe Hoy's quotes in the Record today because they suit your purpose but you have dismissed Hoy's quotes in the Record yesterday because they don't.

Either a source is trustworthy or it isn't. If you believe Hoy's quotes in today's Record why don't you believe his quotes in yesterday's Record too?
37

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 19:07:36
#34

"I believe that the best person to express the opinions of CHRIS HOY is CHRIS HOY and this is his own words"

Yes and in his own words Chris Hoy also said:

""For him (Scottish sports minister Stewart Maxwell) to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team."

Both the above quote and the quotes you have posted were in the Daily Record. If your quotes were the Daily Record was correct I assume you also believe the above quote is correct too?
38

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 19:10:40
#32

"To get back to my original question: have you now changed your mind that the Record and the Scotsman both manipulated the facts of this story for their own agenda?"

No I haven't, the Scotsman and the Record both slanted Hoy's quotes for their own agenda.

However I believe the quotes they both used and attributed to Hoy were correct - I believe he said the quotes attributed to him in today's Record and the quotes attributed to him in yesterday's Record too.
39

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 19:16:02
Yeahperson writes:

"No I haven't, the Scotsman and the Record both slanted Hoy's quotes for their own agenda.

However I believe the quotes they both used and attributed to Hoy were correct - I believe he said the quotes attributed to him in today's Record and the quotes attributed to him in yesterday's Record too."

Your first paragraph makes your second paragraph redundant.

What everyone and their granny is objected to is the gross misrepresentation of Hoy's comments (which Hoy himself says happened).

Hoy's comments were taken out of context and slapped into a narrative of attack upon 'narrow nationalism', 'parochialism' et cetera - resplendent with fuller, context-heavy quotes from Labour politicians.

As I said before, you are arguing about nothing at all (or at least nothing of any substance).

Stop making yourself look silly and give up.
40

Peter Baleares,

Palma 27/08/2008 19:17:34
AJ,

I wonder if it was your hilarious Union flag toilet paper gag, it always creases me up, no matter how many times you tell it :)
41

"Hoots" Fandango,

27/08/2008 19:18:37
Union ostriches. Hoy has rubbished the story.

Ahoy hoy Hoy.
42

malcolmcean,

27/08/2008 19:25:41
Janis writes:

"What was truly dreadful, on The Scotsman forums, were the comments against Chris Hoy in the back lash from cyber nats. They would have done justice to an Essex branch of the BNP."

Ah, when the argument is lost, bring out the Nazis.

Thus the nature of Scottish Unionism is laid bare.

For the sake of democracy in this copuntry we need more than this...
43

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 19:29:43
#39

"As I said before, you are arguing about nothing at all"

No. I am arguing against people like Traquir who seem incapable of believing any quotes that they don't like.

Traquir refuses to believe that in yesterday's Daily Record, Chris Hoy said:

"For him (Scottish sports minister Stewart Maxwell) to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team."

But he is perfectly happy to believe the quotes attributed to Chris Hoy in today's Record. That is complete double standards.

Either you believe that a source is trustworthy, or you don't. You can't pick and choose which quotes you want to believe from a single source - it completely destroys your credibility.
44

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 19:33:47
36 Yeah1

"Either a source is trustworthy or it isn't. If you believe Hoy's quotes in today's Record why don't you believe his quotes in yesterday's Record too?"

Are you really that niave ? Things are not
as black as white as you appear to believe -
The Scotsman is actually trustworthy a lot of
time, but frequently especially when it comes
to stories related to Unionism or Nationalism
they become highly unreliable and twisted.
So duh, your statement
"Either a source is trustworthy or it isn't" is
patently untrue, especially in the case of
the source being The Scotsman.

In this case the time line is

1. Original twisted versions of Chris Hoy's views
Daily Record - untrustworthy & Unionist spin
The Scotsman - untrustworthy & Unionist spin
You appear to confirm that you believe this also ?
2. Chris Hoy states clearly how hurtful and wrong
the twisted story. I have no reason to believe
that Chris Hoy is anything but trustworthy.
3. The Daily Record effectively retracts the
twisted version of their story.
4. The Scotsman continues to ignore reality and
does not retract nor apologize for its
slanderous twisting of Chris Hoys words.

To be clear everything that Chris Hoy states
has been reasonable and I have no problem
with any of what he has said (although
I disagree with him on some points) and I see
no inconsistency with his words. Much of
the focus of this discussion is on "Scottish"
papers who yet again have twisted a Scottish
story to give it a Unionist bias will being
low enough to use Scotland's greatest
every Olympian as a pawn in their sordid game.

Any disagreement ?

45

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 27/08/2008 19:35:53
#42 Janis

Just to bring you up to speed on the delightful fourth verse of your national anthem.

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.

Pretty nasty stuff, eh.
I think the professors refer to this as "imperialism." Which means imposing your nationalism on somebody else's nationalism.
Making Scots nationalists warm and fuzzy puppies by comparison.
46

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 19:46:16
#45

Okay, so let me get this clear. Do you believe that Chris Hoy said the following quote or not?:

"For him to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team."
47

jammy job,

skye 27/08/2008 19:46:20
gosh you lot are pathetic. Its appalling that you have turned hoy into a pawn in your political game to undermine the greatest union on earth. Consider this.. Hoy did make the original remarks as he was caught unawares because he is a cyclist and probably thinks politics is a lot of mince. He probably has no interest. But he then catches himself on after someone with savvy gives him a bit of advice as not to envelop himself in a political storm and we used by the likes of you to snipe at each other. You scary bunch of fanatics.
48

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 19:51:19
47 Janis B,

"Malcolmcean @ 43 What was disappointing, regarding the atrocious comments vented at Chris Hoy, by Scottish Nationalists, was that none of the reasonable SNP supporters on these forums seemed prepared to reproach them."

Janis the more extreme comments on either side
Unionist or Nationalist I think most of us
just try to ignore and let these type of
comments stand and look foolish. Just to be clear
though I fully condemn these types of statements.
It in no way justifies it, but the twisting of
the Story by The Scotsman acted as a Catalyst
(likely intentionally) to stir up these types
of comments, and it is the twisting and bias
in the Scottish press that I have a huge problem
with.

All the best in your quest for
independence for England. I truly believe
that independence will be highly beneficial
for both Scotland and England. Ultimately
we will become stronger neighours who
will work even more constructively together despite
the tiny minority of bigots on either side.

Slàinte mhor
49

Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 19:57:13
49 Yeah1,

In the classic Alex Salmond style I refer you
to my answer to your previous question (#45).
If you are unable to modify your subsequent
questions to the previous answers there
is no real point you asking any more questions.
50

Red Etin,

27/08/2008 20:03:28
Has anyone out there got the vision and courage to start the process of TEAM SCOTLAND 2012. I know what it takes, having run an athletics club for several years as secretary and chairman, driving kids to cross country races and competing myself in 10km to marathon events. Young ladies are especially difficult to keep motivated, but boys too have their distractions. Scottish sport need massive investment. Scotland produced the likes of Eric Liddle, Bobby MacGregor and the 16 year old Linsey Macdonald.
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Red Etin,

27/08/2008 20:05:18
#50 jobby jam

"the greatest union on earth" - sounds like fanaticism to me. Have you no sense of irony?
52

Red Etin,

27/08/2008 20:06:32
#50 jobby

By the way, who says "gosh" in Skye FFS?
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 27/08/2008 20:16:50
A few heroes:
1. Varian Fry: Rescued thousands of leading European intellectuals and artists from the Gestapo. Almost caught by the Gestapo.
2. Andrée (Dédée): de Jongh: A young woman who was the driving force behind the Comet Escape Line that rescued hundreds of Allied soldiers and airmen in Naz0-occupied Europe. Caught, tortured, and survived internment in Nazi concentration camps.
3. Georges, Elsie and (daughter) Elsie Maréchal: rescued Allied evaders from Nazis. Georges was tortured and then executed. The two women were tortured, and moved from one concentration camp to another, and barely survived the war.
4. Those who have resisted the Zimbabwean régime of Robert Mugabe, many at the cost of their lives. Those who have resisted the North Korean régime. Those who have resisted the Burmese régime.
5. Those who have resisted the Chinese régime, many at the cost of their lives. Especially those Tibetans who have suffered torture and given their lives for freedom. China has been the greatest friend of the régimes in (4) above.

Some anti-heroes: All those athletes who went to Beijing seeking medals and a parties, not even wearing black armbands in memory of those who have fought for, and given their lives from freedom. This includes Chris Hoy. Damn you all. You haven't the faintest inkling of what it takes to be a real hero. And neither does the "Scotsman".
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MacGillicuddy,

27/08/2008 20:40:22
#55
Think jobby on Skye forgot the golly as in Golly gosh!

Don't think you'll hear that said very often in the playground of Portree High School!
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RichieSF,

San Francisco 27/08/2008 20:44:29
I echo the sentiments of Caora Dubh. As the father of a serving infantry officer my heroes are the soldiers, airman and sailors who are prepared to give their lives in two futile engagements because their contry asked them to (or a least a lying PM and Government did). They then don't equip them properly. What is heroic about dedicating your self to athletic endeavours with the hope of Olympic recognition? If that's heroism, please explain that concept to me. The Scotsman journos should be ashamed to use this term in this contect.
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MacGillicuddy,

27/08/2008 20:53:11
#58
You are quite right to put all of this post-Olympics euphoria into context. Yes the athletes did well, whether they won medals or not. Of course such is the nature of our modern society ONLY the successful ones are recognised and THEY are the ones who will gain massive personal riches from their victories.

But their efforts pale into significance alongside the wholly unnecessary sacrifices being made by military personnel on the whim of politicians. To make matters worse Olympians have a choice, our military personnel do not. As far as the UK is concerned, the military personnel are simply in Iraq and Afghanistan to massage the egos of the British Labour Party.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 27/08/2008 20:54:37
Well said Caora Dubh and RichieSF. Hero is the most mis-used word in the English language. These atheletes, who will be well rewarded for their endeavours, are not heroes. Neither are footballers or any of the other sports people that the media insist on describing as such.

They excel at a sport - they have not put their lives on the line in any way. What risks have they taken? It is lazy and very poor journalism to call them heroes.
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MacGillicuddy,

27/08/2008 20:55:00
OOps #59
second para should be "....pale into INsignificance.......
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ptdoug,

27/08/2008 21:28:50
Doonhamer said all that needs to be said.

"I believe that the best person to express the opinions of CHRIS HOY is CHRIS HOY and this is his own words...

"I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous.

"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games.

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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 27/08/2008 21:43:17
Here's another on the Maddox missed. God I'm getting to love the Red Top.

Exclusive: Gordon Brown to take charge of Labour's fight for Glenrothes
Aug 27 2008 By Kevin Schofield
GORDON Brown has stepped in to help mastermind Labour's bid to beat the odds and win the Glenrothes by-election.
The Prime Minister is spending the week in his Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath constituency, which borders the vacant seat.
A Downing Street spokesman would only say Brown was "working in his constituency".
But the Record has learned that he will hold meetings with local Labour officials to discuss the party's election campaign. He will also have a major say on the choice of candidate to take on the SNP, who have been installed as odds-on favourites to snatch the seat.
The by-election was triggered by the death from cancer of Labour MP John MacDougall, who had a majority of 10,000. But the Nats won the corresponding Holyrood seat at last year's Scottish elections.
The SNP are also riding high in the polls and won the Labour stronghold of Glasgow East last month.
The stakes are high for Brown, who is already under severe pressure to turn around Labour's recent dismal performance.
Defeat in Glenrothes would leave him as his party's only Fife MP.
Fife Council leader Peter Grant will be the SNP candidate.
Labour are due to make their choice early next week. Local councillors Mark Hood and Kay Morrison are among the names in the frame but some local activists are pushing for a "fresh face" who has never run for public office before.
The by-election is expected in late October or early November.
John Park, Labour MSP for Mid-Scotland and Fife, said: "We have lost a by-election in Glasgow and we are not the favourites but we will go out and take the fight to the SNP."
The Lib Dems said yesterday that they had chosen Fife businessman Harry Wills to fight the seat.
Wills said he would be "a strong local champion" if elected.


Yup, it's Broon's war. I know it's not on topic b
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WL,

livingston 27/08/2008 21:43:31
#48
You can sing as much as you like about Jerusalem, or Beying/Peking or whatever city; who cares.
But that verse in the English national anthem about "rebellious Scots to crush" is pretty offensive.
It is about time that the Scots crush the rebellious English?
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JG,

Fife 27/08/2008 22:13:24
#64 WL
You do realise that the verse you refer to was written to commemorate General Wade's attempt to "crush rebellious Scots" and that there were as meny Scots fighting on his side as there were amongst the rebellious ones?
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Traquir , Alba,

27/08/2008 22:29:42
Interesting how the English papers seem to pick up the Scottish news first.

From the Times :

"Head of Gordon Brown's old school may stand in Glenrothes"

see - tinyurl.com/6prlla

So we have candidate number four. I wonder if
he as scary in person as his picture makes him look.
Looks like the tactic might now be to give all voters
that consider voting for the SNP the strap :)
Another cunning ploy courtesy of Labour .

P.S. Apologies to Unionistas who will complain that
I am off topic, but there is not related thread
on The Scotsman as they appear to be behind
the eight ball yet again.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/08/2008 23:04:09
Why is the Scotsman so anti Chris Hoy?

They have really dumped on him from a great height. And him a son of Edinburgh too.

Shame on you Scotsman!!
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Yeah1,

27/08/2008 23:32:45
#52

"In the classic Alex Salmond style I refer you
to my answer to your previous question (#45)."

But you didn't answer my question. I know you think the Scotsman and the Record 'spun' Hoy's quotes to suit their own argument - and I would agree with you on that - but do you also believe Hoy's actual quotes were made up too?

It is impossible to take anything you say seriously - you pick and choose what you want to believe based on what suits your own personal beliefs. That totally destroys any credibility your arguments may have.

You are quite happy to believe Hoy's quotes in the Record when he says things like:

"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games."

But when he is also quoted in the Record as saying:

"For him to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team."

You refuse to believe he said it.

A lot of your arguments about the bias in the Scots press are valid, but if you want to be taken seriously you really have to take off your blinkers to a certain extent and stop picking and choosing which quotes you want to believe and dismissing ones that don't concur with your ideals.

If you believe the Daily Record quotes attributed to Hoy in today's paper then surely you also believe their quotes attributed to Hoy yesterday too? Your very credibility is at stake here.
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Bàdbò¥......,

27/08/2008 23:33:14
fantastic
67

Yeah1,

27/08/2008 23:36:44
#67

"Why is the Scotsman so anti Chris Hoy?"

hmmm...not quite sure how you class calling him an 'Olympic hero' as being anti Chris Hoy?
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 27/08/2008 23:52:27
What a bunch of twisting ba$tards the Scotsman journalists are. Clearly Hoy does not think the idea of a Scottish team is ridiculous.

Zero credibility.
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Sassy Nak,

28/08/2008 13:49:58
Neil Waugh. Check your facts. The words you qoute were never part of the UK national anthem.

"Around 1745, the anti-Jacobite sentiment was captured in a fourth verse, with a prayer for the success of George Wade's army then assembling at Newcastle. These words attained some short-term popularity, although they did not appear in the published version in Gentleman's Magazine.
This verse was abandoned soon after, and certainly before the song became accepted as the UK national anthem in the 1780s and 1790s."

 

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