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Glasgow East by-election: SNP storm to historic election victory by 365 votes



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Published Date: 25 July 2008
GORDON Brown was hit by a political earthquake early this morning when the SNP narrowly snatched a sensational victory in the Glasgow East by-election.
John Mason won by 365 votes over Labour's Margaret Curran after recording a 22 per cent swing to the SNP. The declaration had been held up after Labour demanded a recount at 1:30am, with only 355 votes separating the two main parties.

Mr Mason, who had arrived at the count to a hero's welcome from party activists, told The Scotsman: "This is going to have a huge impact. Somebody said it's No 10 on the Richter scale. It just feels tremendous. It was a huge challenge, a huge majority to overcome.

"It is going to send a message all around the country."

Alex Salmond, the SNP First Minister, was not present at last night's count, in contrast to his high-profile presence on the campaign trial.

The Prime Minister now faces a summer of discontent after the degree of Labour unpopularity was laid bare in what was previously the party's third-safest Scottish seat.

If the result were to be repeated at the next general election, Labour would be ousted from government and more than 150 of the party's 350 MPs would lose their seats.

Mr Brown, already suffering the lowest personal ratings of any prime minister since polling began during the Second World War, now faces the prospect of months of back-bench plotting before the Labour conference in September.

With dozens of MPs fearful of being ousted at the next general election – due by June 2010 – speculation will increase about the need for Mr Brown to stand down. Alternatively, he could face a challenge from a Labour heavyweight.

However, internal Labour Party rules make it difficult to mount a challenge against a sitting prime minister, as any rival would have to secure the signatures of a fifth of the parliamentary Labour Party – at least 70 colleagues.

Today's result, declared shortly before 2am, is the SNP's first gain from Labour since Jim Sillars won Govan in 1988.

Mr Mason, the SNP group leader on Glasgow City Council, polled 11,277 votes – a 43 per cent share – to 10,912 for Ms Curran, the Labour MSP for Baillieston.

Tory, Davena Rankin, came third with 1,639 votes, while Liberal Democrat Ian Robertson polled 915, losing his deposit.

There was a 42 per cent turnout – compared with 48 per cent of electors who voted in the 2005 general election.

The health minister, Nicola Sturgeon, described the swing towards her party as "epic", saying it had been a "tremendously good" night.

Ian Robertson, Liberal Democrat candidate, said: "At the moment I feel quite disheartened. I guess it will be back to the classroom tomorrow. Our vote was always going to be soft here and we've lost out to the squeeze from the SNP."

David Mundell, Conservative shadow secretary of state for Scotland, said "We have to look at this vote in a UK context, not just a Scottish one.

"It's devastating for Gordon Brown and Labour and shows that they are now seriously on the slide."

Mr Salmond will view the result as a ringing endorsement of the SNP's first year in government at Holyrood. Earlier this week, he raised the stakes by describing the by-election as a "tale of two governments" and effectively a referendum on his own popularity and that of Mr Brown.

The campaign had seen Ms Curran portray Mr Mason as a "hardline" Nationalist interested more in independence than improving the lot of one of the UK's most deprived communities.

But Mr Mason and Mr Salmond said an SNP victory was the only way to "send a message" to the Prime Minister about concerns over the rising cost of living.

Labour failed to retain the seat despite former MP David Marshall having won by 13,507 votes in 2005 with 60 per cent of the vote. Then, the SNP took only 5,268 votes and 17 per cent of the poll.

This morning's result was the third seat Labour has lost in the current parliament, following by-election defeats to the Lib Dems in Dunfermline and West Fife in 2006 and the humiliation of losing Crewe and Nantwich to the Tories in May, when a 7,078 Labour majority was converted into a 7,860 winning margin for the Tories in a supposedly safe area.

Mr Brown was further damaged last month when Labour fell to fifth place in the Tory safe seat of Henley, behind the British National Party.

Today's result also marks one of the biggest swings in political support of modern times, sitting alongside the 29 per cent swing to the Liberal Democrats in Brent East in 2003.

However, the result was not the biggest majority Labour has seen overturned in recent times – it lost Leicester South to the Liberal Democrats in 2004 despite defending a 15,715 majority.

But the significance for the future of the party – and the Prime Minister – is far greater with this result.

FULL RESULTS

John Mason (SNP) 11,277 (43.08%, +26.06%)

Margaret Curran (Lab) 10,912 (41.69%, –18.99%)

Davena Rankin (C) 1,639 (6.26%, –0.64%)

Ian Robertson (LD) 915 (3.50%, –8.35%)

Frances Curran (SSP) 555 (2.12%, –1.42%)

Tricia McLeish (Solidarity) 512 (1.96%)

Eileen Duke (Green) 232 (0.89%)

Chris Creighton (Ind) 67 (0.26%)

Hamish Howitt (Choice) 65 (0.25%)

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moral___superiority_,

25/07/2008 01:38:45
604 Ayrshire Scot­­™,25/07/2008 00:34:23
"I hear from a pal at the count that the SNP have won by over 1,100"

Ayrshire Scot the man with imaginary friends that provide invented figures.

What a chump.
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moral___superiority_,

25/07/2008 01:39:50
The SNP double counting needs to be checked.
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25/07/2008 01:44:10
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Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

SNP VICTORY HQ 25/07/2008 01:53:18
NEWSFLASH:
RECOUNT UNDERWAY AT THE GLASGOW EAST BY ELECTION. SNP WIN BY LESS THAN 500 VOTES. AN NATION CHANGING WIN AND A VICTORY FOR THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE
5

CRAGman,

25/07/2008 01:58:25
Well done the SNP - but it means nothing re, independence which is far more important to the SNP than social justice, etc.. Labour needs to up its game on that score.
6

Soosider,

Glasgow 25/07/2008 02:00:19
Listening to BBC gone to full recount, first count was SNP win by 435 votes,Labour asked for recount as they want to be sure that Margaret Currans votes have not got mixed up with Frances Currans. Seems to me very unlikely that nearly 500 votes would fall into this category, seems like bad grace
7

MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 02:04:44
#3
Will AM2 be making a statement immediately after the declaration?
8

Christina, Aberdeen,

25/07/2008 02:04:59
This was not just any Labour candidate who appears to have lost.

This was Margaret Curran. EX Scottish Executive minister and Labour leadership candidate.

If Labour can't hold their third safest seat in Scotland with their most experienced politician what can they hold?
9

Christina, Aberdeen,

25/07/2008 02:06:41
Labour has _lost_ votes because of the recount! :-)
10

MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 02:08:21
#9
I'll settle for them holding the safest and second safest seats!
No I don't I hope that like the Tories (which of course they are anyway) they get totally wiped out in Scotland.
Liebour has been anti-Scotland for far
r too long.
11

Just_Me,

elgin 25/07/2008 02:09:01
It seems the labour party is several years slower than other parties to actually bother finding out about what scottish people want!

No doubt they will keep telling us that we dont really want independance!

I see a labour defeat now only casts doubt on labours leader rather than the almost certainty of resignation a week ago!

Well done SNP
12

MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 02:09:34
C'mon AM2, we know you are watching this! You are not normally this shy!
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25/07/2008 02:13:06
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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 25/07/2008 02:15:46
SUPERB!!!!

Honestly what can the Labour party possibly say now..To lose Glasgow East. My Goodness.

From over here in Vancouver the pain can be seen on Labour parties faces.

Scotland..the next step is independence. We will be home to vote, and will send money if allowed.

All the best, and my hats off to the good people of Glasgow East. Sheep no more it seems.
15

Jardine,

25/07/2008 02:16:52
Some those whose ballot papers were "spoiled' must have been under the impression that Curran (Margaret) was a socialist!
16

MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 02:19:27
O Happy Day!

I take it that Curran willhave the decency to be magnanimous in her acceptance of defeat by Mason the Magnificent that she will NOW resign her MSP seat since clearly the electorate in most of her Holyrood constituency have delivered a verdict of no confidence in her!

But hold on, this is the Liebour Party where all decency went out of the window when Bliar and Broon masterminded its transformation into tories.
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25/07/2008 02:19:39
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MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 02:20:30
And I am just as pleased that the Sniveral Democrats lost its deposit.
19

Pica Sapien,

The burgh 25/07/2008 02:23:36
Woot!!!! and I'm up a tenner.
20

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/07/2008 02:24:41
Brilliant just brilliant and delighted that the people of Glasgow have had the sense to do this (at last).
21

Pica Sapien,

The burgh 25/07/2008 02:25:26
What can you say, I didn't think we could do it....but we have done it!!!!

There is no way this organ can spin this well, but I wait to see how they try it.
22

Jimmy the Pie,

25/07/2008 02:25:35
Well AM2 any thoughts on tonights glorious result???

Or are you going to have this post deleted????
23

A WIN IS A WIN AND ALL THAT,

25/07/2008 02:26:10
Excellent win for the SNP. Unionists trolls must be very upset at this result.
24

Jimmy the Pie,

25/07/2008 02:26:51
That's the end of the Sleaze Party in Scotland now!!!

Oh happy days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
25

MacGillicuddy,

25/07/2008 02:27:26
Curran and her skelped *rse expression says it all!
26

Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

25/07/2008 02:28:18
Hearty Congratulations to the Hon John F Mason MP.

Cutty Serks always meet there ain fait!!

How petty minded can Magde get, thoroughly disgusting!!!

A monumental day in the history of our Great Nation, Scotland go Forward, we have nothing to fear but fear itself!!!!

Oh and where IS AMduex?
27

Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

25/07/2008 02:30:05
Jeez is Dwougeee Alixandur still going on about Nu Labour/Owld Torie are the party of the people whit P Rat!
28

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/07/2008 02:30:26
The lowest point for Labour in Scotland in the history of the party lol.
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unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 25/07/2008 02:31:38
We won. we won, we won - hallelujah -- after 40 years of supporting SNP - we won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
30

Jimmy the Pie,

25/07/2008 02:31:58
All this from a 'hardline nationalist' too
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ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:32:04
:-)
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subrosa,

25/07/2008 02:36:43
Auch I'm just fair delighted :) Congratulations John Mason.
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Jed Zeppelin,

Scotland 25/07/2008 02:37:27
...the shape of things to come! Let us now grab the mantle for change and give the Scottish people the country that we deserve.

It's all about Scotland baby!
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ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:39:35
Well done and thank you to the people of Glasgow East.

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Conan the Librarian™,

25/07/2008 02:40:13
22.54% swing.

:-)
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Aqwes,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 02:40:13
Congratulations to the SNP on winning, and to the Tories for taking third place from the Liberals.

I also want to congratulate John Mason on using the term "epic win" in his victory speech. Most appreciated.
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Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Cloud 9 25/07/2008 02:40:21
At last, at last! The Scottish people have taken destiny by the scruff of the neck and hurried it along!
For we will rise and be a Nation Again.
Onwards to prosperity for all!
Goodbye AM2 and all unionist doubters. The Scottish People have spoken again! The end of liebour is on us. Cheerio Gordon, Cheerio Lying Cheating Scum.
38

Jimmy the Pie,

25/07/2008 02:42:32
34 bring them on

Must disagree.

Comrade Broon must stay.
39

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/07/2008 02:47:17
Heartfelt thanks to David Marshall...is he in Spain yet in his 'hacienda lotto'?
40

Gordon, Canonmills,

The Union is dead!!! 25/07/2008 02:47:29
TAXI (to BOURNEMOUTH?) FOR AM2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Conan the Librarian™,

25/07/2008 02:50:49
43
He is far to "unwell" to go to Spain surely?
42

back from huttcity,

25/07/2008 02:52:06
no am2 posting an hour before anyone else tonight?
43

Statsman,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 02:52:09
Epic fail Labour!
44

Dave B,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 02:53:49
Great result for Glasgow.
The swing would have been even more if Labour hadn't put up a credible candidate who was pretty well liked personally in the area.
Things are changing across Scotland.
45

ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:53:51
THE TIMES
Angus Macleod, Scottish Political Editor


No-one can possibly underestimate the scale of the disaster which hit Gordon Brown and the Labour Party in the Glasgow East constituency in the early hours of this morning.

Here was a seat which has been a fortress for Labour in Scotland where Labour did not so much count their votes as weigh them. And yet, they saw their 13,507 majority overturned by a triumphant Scottish National Party (SNP).

The shock of this result casts another huge pall of gloom over the Prime Minister as he goes on his annual holiday. It raises massive questions about his continued leadership of the Labour Party.

Backbench MPs will have to face the fact that the Glasgow East result, after a similar by-election disaster in Crewe and Nantwich in May, makes Mr Brown look like very damaged goods as their leader. They must now ask themselves if they can possibly win a general election under Mr Brown and the Prime Minister’s Cabinet colleagues will no doubt be asking the same question.

The major concerns for many households in one of the most deprived areas of Britain were the rising cost of fuel and food, the ongoing rate of street crime and the whole issue of law and order generally. But voters were obviously angry at the non-appearance of Mr Brown in the constituency during the by-election. Labour also suffered from the refusal of their first choice candidate to accept the nomination and that Margaret Curran was a 4th choice.

Mrs Curran fought a focused and largely sure-footed campaign, and still Labour lost with thousands of previously rock-solid, loyal voters turning their back on the party that their families have supported for generations and administering the political equivalent of a mugging.

Alex Salmond, the SNP leader and Scottish First Minister, had promised a political earthquake in this by-election and he delivered, although some might say this was a tsunami rather than a mere earthquake. They will conc
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ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:54:39
cont...

Alex Salmond, the SNP leader and Scottish First Minister, had promised a political earthquake in this by-election and he delivered, although some might say this was a tsunami rather than a mere earthquake. They will conclude that in Scotland there are very few Labour seats safe from their incursions. By taking Labour’s third safest seat in Scotland, they have proved that last year’s win in the Scottish Parliament elections was no one-day wonder and that they are now Scotland’s leading party while Labour in Scotland goes into freefall.

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ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:55:34
:-)
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back from huttcity,

25/07/2008 02:55:43
At least "Proud to be Scottish" showed up on the herald boards. I am sure AM2 will have been at a "party" or something when shows up.
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ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:56:04
:-)
50

ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:56:19
:-)
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ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:56:38
:-)
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ptdoug,

25/07/2008 02:57:09
Sorry.... ijust can't stop grinning!!!
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Jimmy the Pie,

25/07/2008 03:02:55
When can we expect an interview with Comrade Broon or will he hide(just like AM2) and pretend that nothing has changed??????????????
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An Independent Scottish Voice.,

25/07/2008 03:03:00
;o)
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 25/07/2008 03:07:12
As john curtice pointed out, if this swing occurred across Scotland, Labour would have one, ONE MP left. Let's chase that last one out!!
57

TommyKaye,

UK 25/07/2008 03:07:52
Newsflash Body puled out of River Clyde thought to be that of poster called AM2 - still alive he whispered

"Ahm fair scunnered, I had thi sfunny dream" he then thanked the man who saved him - who said to him "its alright pal and by the way do you know the SNP have just won Glasgow East" -

upon hearing the news the said AM2 apparently jumped 50 feet back in to the deep dark river..........
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Jimmy the Pie,

25/07/2008 03:10:34
62 TommyKaye

If only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:0)
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LTM,

25/07/2008 03:10:54
So proud of the voters of Glasgow East. I keep reading in other papers stating that this was a vote against Labour, not Scottish Independence, but that's a desperate argument. The Telegraph had a poll that labour was up 40 points a few weeks ago in Glasgow East. That was the same poll that stated the majority is happy to stay under London's wing. I think the more we give Salmond to work with, the more he'll be able do for Scotland till eventually the nation will see convincing progress and that we deserve a bigger voice on the world stage. This is a very encouraging sign and long may it continue.
60

glassbenmhor,

25/07/2008 03:14:54
FABLOUS,WONDERFUL,

But as well for me personally,

RICH RED REAKING VENGENCE,

Its a start but many more of the Ca-bull to fall oh its a coming,

and why,

THE BLACK WATCH

and all the other great families that are Scotland's History.

Yes a good start, but lets not loose the head, sharpen the tongues and ready ourselves for the

ROUT AHEAD
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rureddy,

Montreal ,Canada 25/07/2008 03:15:51
The result is rather sad. Labour were entrenched and stupid and had to go, but, the Nationalists have few ideas. My family lived in that area for over 150 years and we have relatives still there. That area is too far gone for mild improvements, it needs a really massive overhaul. Scotland is in for another wave of emigration.
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Canadian Jambo,

25/07/2008 03:16:03
Enjoy it boys-(there appear to be no women commentators)-it won't last long. I spoke with Alex tonight (we're both Hearts' supporters). He assured me(against my views) that the royal family and hangers-on were safe and that Scotland would continue to be ruled by foreigners, both American and English. Oh yes, we would have Muslim schools and 'faith-based' education and the RC heirachy would continue to exert influence on social policy. Don't ya love it!! (What century are we in?)
Cheers.
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missing home,

la verne 25/07/2008 03:17:00
I'm having such a hard time trying not to gloat..I don't like this side of me, but I love the result, WOO HOO!!
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Castaway,

25/07/2008 03:18:28
Betting odds on the 24 July was Labour 1/3 and SNP 2/1 and this hardly changed from the start of the by-election with Labour always odds on and the SNP always odds against.
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Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 03:21:29
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Congratulations to John Mason for this stunning victory.

Many Thanks to all in the SNP and especially
the Cybernats who helped to swell the ranks of the activists on the ground and
provided heart felt passionate to make this happen.
The power of the new media (e.g. blogging & youtube)
is now proven to be a force to be reckoned with and the old media no longer has a free rein.

Most of all many many thanks to the good
people of Glasgow East for having the courage
to stand up and break from the
Labour mold in which they have been held
prisoner for way too long.

As I savour a nice Caol Isla to celebrate little can be
sweeter than this triumph apart of course from the
eventual freedom of our Scottish nation which is
now closer than ever.

Slàinte mhor a h-uile là a chi 's nach fhaic
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Conan the Librarian™,

25/07/2008 03:21:31
Bold Comments.
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Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen. 25/07/2008 03:27:33
It's comforting to learn that Scots have supported their own government. Congratualtions SNP!

How exactly is Broon going to word his resignation? By all accounts he's done for.
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Otis Boone,

Sacramento 25/07/2008 03:35:12
As a fan of democracy, Congrats to SNP for pulling a win equally phenomenal to George W Bush defeating Bill Clinton's VP, Al Gore, here in 2000.

As a fan of change, I hope the following happens:

Replacement of the boring, uncharismatic and incompetent Gordon Brown with a Prime Minister on the level of Baroness Thatcher or 1997 Tony Blair that can energize the British Public into believing in their country (or countries), and can take decisive action to help resolve the current British and global economic crisis

Conversion into a full Federation, a la Canada, Australia, and my own US of A, to permit the Home Nations to determine their own domestic destinies, by creation of a codified Constitution that restricts, in law, what Westminster can legislate on and the mechanisms used (like our Commerce Clause - restricting the US Government from legislating over the 50 states in most areas unless it involves commerce) instead of by law until Westminster decides otherwise. Included in this would be abandonment of the idea of Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy.

If reform of the Lords is to occur, I would hope that reform ensures that each home nation has equal representation, either by peers or election of individuals. It occurs to me that the majority of grievances held by Nationalists UK-wide all stem from one main issue - Westminster legislating in every part of your lives. Federalism resolves those ills.

Should your independence vote fail when called, I recommend you steer the conversation in this direction. Although, as a fan of the UK and its influence in history, I would hate to see the break up of one of the most influential nations in history.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/07/2008 03:38:02
Congratulations to John Mason and all the people who volunteered to get out the vote. You have done a fantastic job.

This result has shown a siesmic shift in west of Scotland politics. This test has well and truly seperated the Men from the Monkeys in Red Rosettes. Many west of Scotland Labour MP's and MSP's will not be having a comfortable sleep tonight.

Their years of complacency and neglect will soon be coming to an end.

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 25/07/2008 03:38:34
What! No AM2? Quel surprise!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 25/07/2008 03:39:49
Not a single Unionist here tonight?

AM2, kimba, sme, Scotbrit.......
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 25/07/2008 03:43:46
#72 Conan Morning Conan Congratulations to John Mason and the SNP on a great win.

There will be a lot to discuss in the wake of this result.

Dont stay up all night celebrating.

Catch up with you somewhere on the threads in the next day or so.
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Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

25/07/2008 03:44:05
Just filling up my glass with another dose of Grahams Black Bottle, and toasting the victory of the Hon. John F Mason MP.

Still can't believe taht Madge was such a sore loser....not :-))

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Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 03:45:39

The official result declaration

see tinyurl.com/5prkgd

John Mason's Victory speech

see - tinyurl.com/67e2xd

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Jimmy the Pie,

25/07/2008 03:50:59
Has anyone sighted our ermine clad buffoon, Lard Foolkes or is he lying in a gutter after drowning his sorrows????
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Deeside,

25/07/2008 03:57:43
The real reason Labour's original candidate's choice didn't show at the selection meeting.... http://www.fan-hitter.co.uk/news/story.php?newsID=32

There's an inherint and very bad taste to Labour's arrogance in Glasgow politics - at last the people have said enough is enough - they did it without the support of the media - the extra hard work of Labour's cronies in George Square (and questionable use of public servants for political means) to block the media reporting on corruption at the heart of Labour in Glasgow still couldn't stop people leaving Labour and voting decisively with their feet in Glasgow East!
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Castaway,

25/07/2008 03:59:52
Gordon Brown, there is good news and there is bad news, ok the bad news first is that Labour lost Glasgow East and the good news if the next election is held on Thursday, May 6, 2010, that is 651 days or 1 year, 9 months, 12 days or 56,246,400 seconds or 937,440 minutes or 15,624 hours or 93 weeks from today.
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Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 04:02:47
oops forgot Ms Curran's speech - she is really scary

see - tinyurl.com/68fuvg
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Dr Blockbuster aka Vince,

25/07/2008 04:04:00
Castaway ... that may be baaaaaad news for Gordon Brown. He may not have those 651 days :wink:
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Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen UK 25/07/2008 04:04:25
So what's up with Curran's SLAB Leadership bid now that Bendywendy is happily pissed out of her mind celebrating Curran's demise too?
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Dr Blockbuster aka Vince,

25/07/2008 04:04:55
Traquir ... she WAS really scary

:roflmAo:
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Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 04:05:16
"In tonight's vote, there was a 22.54 percent swing toward the SNP, according to BBC News 24 television. A shift of this size replicated across Scotland would reduce the number of Labour lawmakers in Scotland to one"

see - tinyurl.com/5ly6bu

Obviously this would be very hard to achieve with
the current first past the post system, but
nevertheless great to even imagine the possibility :)

Saor Alba
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Deeside,

25/07/2008 04:06:21
Scary?? Just bitter, twisted and pathetic :)
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Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 04:07:43
89 Dr Blockbuster aka Vince,

"Traquir ... she WAS really scary"

True,but I was kind of hoping though that Labour
would be stupid enough to still elect
her their leader in Scotland - perhaps
as a consolation prize for all her
hard working trying to defend the Union :)
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/07/2008 04:12:11
From Bloomberg

"In tonight's vote, there was a 22.54 percent swing toward the SNP, according to BBC News 24 television. A shift of this size replicated across Scotland would reduce the number of Labour lawmakers in Scotland to one from the present 72, according to John Curtice, professor of politics at Strathclyde University in Glasgow."

Which one would that be?
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Dr Blockbuster aka Vince,

25/07/2008 04:12:58
92 Traquir

"True,but I was kind of hoping though that Labour
would be stupid enough to still elect
her their leader in Scotland - perhaps
as a consolation prize for all her
hard working trying to defend the Union :)"


Naaaa ... they couldnae be that stupid.

Hmmm ... on second thoughts ... they COULD be that stupid! :roflmAo:

Poor old Gordon. Do you notice that over time he has managed to learn not to drop his jaw so much when he is speaking?
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Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 04:15:39


The headlines are just so sweet -

"Brown's humiliation in Glasgow East: SNP demolishes Labour's 13,507 majority"

see - tinyurl.com/6ey7yd

"Catastrophe for Labour as SNP triumphs in Glasgow East"

see - tinyurl.com/5ha37x

"Glasgow East byelection victory adds remarkable new chapter to SNP history"

see - tinyurl.com/57brqu

"Glasgow East by-election: Labour suffers humiliating defeat as SNP celebrates"

see - tinyurl.com/6muupp

"Brown's humiliation in Glasgow East: SNP demolishes Labour's 13,507 majority

see - tinyurl.com/5wbxdd
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NemarketNDPer,

Taipei, Taiwan 25/07/2008 04:17:12
A well deserved kick in the butt for Labour and M. Cullan, outspoken supporter of the imperialist war for oil in Iraq.
Remember G. Brown, it was Labour who first deserted the people and now they will vote for the SNP, the Pope, the devil, or anyone else in order to trash the once glorious Party.
OUT OF IRAQ NOW!
91

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 25/07/2008 04:24:27
What a wonderful day for Glasgow East and SCOTLAND. There is nothing the SCOTTISH people cannot do when they put thier minds to it.Great result!!!!
92

An Beal Bacht,

25/07/2008 04:33:22
Dream of the possibilities. Good night all.
93

Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 04:37:17
I wonder why AM2 was not regaling us with stories
of his personal Unionist canvassing especially given
he lives in Glasgow. Surely he was out
in force selling the glories of the Union as per
the Unionist guide on how to "Preserve The Union",

see - tinyurl.com/5ncw8z

Surely he did not just sit at home in his room
on his computer instead of traveling a few
miles down the road to espouse the glories
of the Union that he tells us he so passionately
believes in. Seems somewhat of a dim contrast
with many of the Cybernats who put their money
where their mouths are and actively and with
fire in their bellies campaigned fully for
their believes on the streets of Glasgow East.

He really could have made a difference - we had
been hoping for a 4 figure majority and he
could have made the difference :)

Saor Alba

94

Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 04:37:38
100 :)
95

Richardinho,

25/07/2008 04:37:48

They said devolution would kill the SNP 'stone dead'-it didn't.

They said the SNP could never form a government in Holyrood-they did.

They said that the SNP couldn't take the Glasgow-East seat-they just have.

The SNP are developing an uncomfortable (if you're a unionist) habit of doing 'the impossible'!

Well done John!
96

Electric Hermit,

25/07/2008 04:54:00
Congratulations to John Mason. Congratulations to Alex Salmond. But most of all, congratulations to the people of Glasgow East. You've done us proud!
97

American Expat,

25/07/2008 04:55:06
I'm new to the UK and Scotland, so I must ask the people here... what does this mean vis a vis independence? I'm hearing that it means nothing from some folks, from others that it's a major step towards it. I'm also hearing from some friends that only about 1/3 of Scots favour independence, yet others tell me it's more than half.

Anyone here provide some help ton an ignorant American student?
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Christopher Crossley,

Wuhan City 25/07/2008 04:56:55
I echo Electric Hermit's (#101) sentiments. Many congratulations to John Mason for his astounding victory on behalf not only of the SNP, but also of the people of Scotland.
99

Christopher Crossley,

Wuhan City 25/07/2008 04:57:53
Sorry, I meant #102! :)
100

Snuffy Ivy,

Aerdeen 25/07/2008 05:06:18
#103 You make a fair point.
For starters Americans need to make some pretty important decisions of their own about how to run a democracy "by the the people for the people"...... once that's decided then you'll understand the notion of why nationalism is on the rise in Scotland.

In each case (USA & Scotland) the "PEOPLE" are fed up with lack of representation by their duly elected "officials" who rule from afar, and who have absolutely no concept of reality. The Scots have had enough, and are in rebellion with London. Sound familiar?

If you're a student, how about enrolling an a government class or two, then you'll get an eye opener.
101

Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 05:11:01
Roll on Independance.Superb
102

An Beal Bacht,

25/07/2008 05:18:37
103American Expat, 25/07/2008 04:55:06 writes:

"I'm new to the UK and Scotland, so I must ask the people here... what does this mean vis a vis independence? I'm hearing that it means nothing from some folks, from others that it's a major step towards it. I'm also hearing from some friends that only about 1/3 of Scots favour independence, yet others tell me it's more than half.

Anyone here provide some help ton an ignorant American student?"

It's possible that this result will force Brown to resign. Labour will then choose another leader but it's unlikely that said leader would have any credibility as PM. This would necessitate a general election with the Tories as favourites. If the Tories win in England but are locked out in Scotland it would lead to a referendum on independence - given the recent history of the Thatcher years and the Scots unwillingness to revisit that scenerio - and especially if the SNP get a sizable contingent elected to Westmin.

It's all on the line - the whole shebang.
103

Castaway,

25/07/2008 05:22:08
#103:American Expat,the latest opinion poll which asks the question the Scottish Government is proposing to ask the Scottish people in a independence referendum possibly in Nov 2010.TNS poll June 2008
I agree 39% -I do not agree 41% -Don't know 20%
The approx average of the 4 TNS polls taken since Aug 2007 is:- I agree 38%, I disagree 44%, don't know 18%.
104

An Beal Bacht,

25/07/2008 05:27:17
109Castaway, 25/07/2008 05:22:08

GE = 22.54 swing to the SNP. There are polls and then there are elections.
105

An Beal Bacht,

25/07/2008 05:28:11
Night all - I will sleep soundly tonight.
106

Vaward,

Perth 25/07/2008 05:30:28
@ 106

Snuffy, if people are so fed up, then how come only 40% turned out to vote?
107

mike3,

25/07/2008 05:31:08
Winners can smile, losers can please the'selves.
108

gerad,

greenock 25/07/2008 05:32:12
All those who are giving AM2 a hard time. Remember that this is a civilised country and as such, even AM2 the poor wee soul deserves a time to grieve. After all he really did believe that Liebour would win. Poor sod.